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Old 10-24-2011, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Contract survey just extended 72 hours. Apparently a lot of guys decided to get serious about it over the weekend. Pilots.....sheesh.
That's pathetic. Why should we extend it because a guy can't find the time during the window it was open? Obviously, he doesn't care enough to provide input in a timely manner - then he shouldn't get to.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:00 PM
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That's pathetic. Why should we extend it because a guy can't find the time during the window it was open? Obviously, he doesn't care enough to provide input in a timely manner - then he shouldn't get to.
I agree PG. I mean, how many of us did it multiple times just to get it right? I think I had at least 8 iterations.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:22 PM
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While management touts the "success" of our code share and Joint Ventures, here are the numbers. Alaska is growing. Delta is shrinking twice as fast as other airlines and faster than our pilots are retiring:



To put this in perspective, we are shrinking even faster than United, who is going through their post merger route rationalization. We are the fastest shrinking airline in the United States and possibly the World.

Boyd tends to crunch numbers inclusive of "brand" flying done by DCI carriers. I have no doubt that our numbers are effected by the retirement of a mass of 50 seaters. Still, management does not get off the hook. We need to start reminding them when they say "there is no 100 seat platform" we need to send that lie down in flames by asking how much they paid for 255 100 seat jets with 76 seats installed in them.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:32 PM
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My min level was 70% with 7% year over year. Just doing md88 to southwest conversion.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:38 PM
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My min level was 70% with 7% year over year. Just doing md88 to southwest conversion.
12 year MD88 pay would only take a 30% raise to equal 12 year SWA pay, but 70% would work.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
I think you're right regarding mergers, however when the majority of these groups are younger and have better relative seniority vs. Delta, we bottom dwellers will stagnate. The retirements won't help most of us because we will retire before them.
Hummmmm, ghosts of Christmas past I remember another group argue this.

Dynamic List anyone?

But, as I've said before.....I'll believe Alaska when I see it. They are way to expensive and the bidding war will be ugly. But, I was also the guy who would have wagered his house that it was NWA and Continental

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Old 10-24-2011, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Contract survey just extended 72 hours. Apparently a lot of guys decided to get serious about it over the weekend. Pilots.....sheesh.
I believe that this looks a bit like an act of desperation on DALPA's part. Guys had about a month to fill out the survey. If they didn't do it then, they probably aren't going to do it now. Very sad that someone can't take two hours and give their opinion. Lord knows we've all heard the complainers rant for more than two hours in the cockpit about how things should be...

I just can't imagine being that disenfranchised.
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Old 10-24-2011, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
I believe that this looks a bit like an act of desperation on DALPA's part. Guys had about a month to fill out the survey. If they didn't do it then, they probably aren't going to do it now. Very sad that someone can't take two hours and give their opinion. Lord knows we've all heard the complainers rant for more than two hours in the cockpit about how things should be...

I just can't imagine being that disenfranchised.
It was said at the DTW Council 20 meeting that participation was very low. That's just sad, & ****es me off!!
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Old 10-24-2011, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It was said at the DTW Council 20 meeting that participation was very low. That's just sad, & ****es me off!!
I don't get it at all.
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Old 10-24-2011, 02:50 PM
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Mine was 35% FY + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8.
We are only 10 apart. I like your math.
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