Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-24-2011, 04:39 AM
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Could the apathy come, from the feeling by many, that the results will be ignored by the MEC/Negotiating Committee.
10-24-2011, 04:43 AM
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Did my survey as soon as it came out! Come on guys...
10-24-2011, 05:13 AM
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Rumors from the "big meeting last week":
AE first couple of weeks of Nov. smaller than expected, little shuffling of staffing only
Hiring not planned but needed to cover expected retirements so possible late 2012
An Extra 30 737-900 possible due to our outstanding options
Expect an order for 777's...no time frame but possible. Do not expect to see any 747-8/A350 at DAL
Numbers are going to be flat for the next 1-1.5 years due to economy. EU especially disappointing mainly due to economy over there, mainly Greece dragging everyone down
Pacific and South America doing well but need more,China will be the biggest economy in the world in our lifetime. DAL is positioning to be #1 there look for more JV's
Look for those said 777 orders to go place that we don't go...ie Malaysia
Lots of fuel hedging talk....should listen to the podcast from last week.
The best line of the day:
Richard see's no benefit of more animosity, he wants the contract done by the amendable date!
Just regurgitating what I was told.....
AE first couple of weeks of Nov. smaller than expected, little shuffling of staffing only
Hiring not planned but needed to cover expected retirements so possible late 2012
An Extra 30 737-900 possible due to our outstanding options
Expect an order for 777's...no time frame but possible. Do not expect to see any 747-8/A350 at DAL
Numbers are going to be flat for the next 1-1.5 years due to economy. EU especially disappointing mainly due to economy over there, mainly Greece dragging everyone down
Pacific and South America doing well but need more,China will be the biggest economy in the world in our lifetime. DAL is positioning to be #1 there look for more JV's
Look for those said 777 orders to go place that we don't go...ie Malaysia
Lots of fuel hedging talk....should listen to the podcast from last week.
The best line of the day:
Richard see's no benefit of more animosity, he wants the contract done by the amendable date!
Just regurgitating what I was told.....
Just trying to grasp some of this, mostly the bold part.
I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?
Anyone with more info to add?
This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.
10-24-2011, 05:24 AM
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Hi FTB,
Dear Lord, I sincerely hope you are WAAAAY off base. At the MEM road-show last week, T.O. (or one of the other guys) indicated that it was something in the 6K range of guys who'd responded to date. If that's the best we get in the way of survey returns, man, are we ever going to get @#!$%-slapped on C2012. You'll have a hard time ever finding a guy who would admit to NOT filling out the survey. If 7K pilots is all we get interested in the process, I don't even want to contemplate what our next contract will look like.
Chuck
Dear Lord, I sincerely hope you are WAAAAY off base. At the MEM road-show last week, T.O. (or one of the other guys) indicated that it was something in the 6K range of guys who'd responded to date. If that's the best we get in the way of survey returns, man, are we ever going to get @#!$%-slapped on C2012. You'll have a hard time ever finding a guy who would admit to NOT filling out the survey. If 7K pilots is all we get interested in the process, I don't even want to contemplate what our next contract will look like.
Chuck
Talked to a buddy of mine on the phone yesterday...his words:
"I wont waste 5 minutes of my time let alone one hour to do anything for ALPA. They wont listen and I want them gone yesterday. They already have their contract plans set and I'd be shocked if we got a 15% raise. Scope recapture...never, not from ALPA. If we didn't have agency shop, alpa membership would be less than 30%."
Again his words, a DALs, mid seniority pilot...his perspective.
Coming from him, I was actually very surprised to hear him speak so passionately and bluntly about his ALPA dissatisfaction.
10-24-2011, 05:27 AM
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HI would be a lot of good and a little bad. Over all a winner. They would buff our Pacific network even more, common fleet, foot in the door for 717's, and of course we would be the leaders in the HI market going both directions.
If AK was gobbled up by someone else, or C2012 ended the code share abuse and AK took their toys and went home (highly unlikely) we would have to overfly the key portions of their network with at least partial frequency. No more mythical excuses that no one except AK (and SWA and VX and SKYW for several different airlines) can dare fly up and down the legendary, impossible to compete in, zero yield west coast.
In any case, the number of pilots there is so few and what they would bring to our network so disproportionately greater, the SLI would be pretty painless and quick. Probably very close to a ratio and only a few fences here and there. I just hope it happens before they buff their list 20-30% by running just a few classes real quick.
If AK was gobbled up by someone else, or C2012 ended the code share abuse and AK took their toys and went home (highly unlikely) we would have to overfly the key portions of their network with at least partial frequency. No more mythical excuses that no one except AK (and SWA and VX and SKYW for several different airlines) can dare fly up and down the legendary, impossible to compete in, zero yield west coast.
In any case, the number of pilots there is so few and what they would bring to our network so disproportionately greater, the SLI would be pretty painless and quick. Probably very close to a ratio and only a few fences here and there. I just hope it happens before they buff their list 20-30% by running just a few classes real quick.
spot on Gloopy.
10-24-2011, 05:33 AM
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Just trying to grasp some of this, mostly the bold part.
I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?
Anyone with more info to add?
This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.
I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?
Anyone with more info to add?
This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.
10-24-2011, 05:51 AM
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Last Captain I was flying with stopped to speak to a couple LCA's and they confirmed most of what was posted here to include the "RA wants it done by the amenable date" they also mentioned something along the lines of RA said around 30% was doable but spread over the duration of the contract...FYI
10-24-2011, 05:54 AM
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I did mine early and saved it waiting to the last day to make sure if anyone had any other marvelous ideas I'd copy and paste them.
I didn't realize if you submit you could redo it without having to answer every question.
Oh, 70% was my number.
I didn't realize if you submit you could redo it without having to answer every question.
Oh, 70% was my number.
10-24-2011, 05:54 AM
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Just did a 7 day mil charter trip... Charter coordinator said to expect a lot more, and that the company is bending over backwards looking for ways to fill all the requests for more from the govt. supposedly delta has made almost 300 mil this year on mil charters.
Oh, and the WRO layover is awesome.
Oh, and the WRO layover is awesome.
10-24-2011, 06:04 AM
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Just trying to grasp some of this, mostly the bold part.
I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?
Anyone with more info to add?
This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.
I am guessing this was the chief pilot powwow, not the union roadshow?
Anyone with more info to add?
This all just sounds like snippets that line pilots want to hear...organic growth, contract by amenable date, shiny new jets and more of them. etc.
The CRJ700/900 and E175 have MD88/90, 737-700, A319/320 economics and similar cost per seat mile statistics. We need to realize that our contract does not have a 76 seat cap, as much as it has a 160 seat floor. As long as we allow management to outsource our small jet flying and our large jet flying (AF/KLM JV) they'll continue to grow their operation while simply leaving us behind.
I know we pilots are well educated far beyond our intelligence and aren't likely to blurt out "LIAR" at a road show ... but maybe someone could respectfully ask "what is Delta's core business?" The follow up question should be, "then why do we make such great effort to avoid doing any flying ourselves?"
New marketing slogan ... "Delta we're pigeons ... we don't fly unless there's no other choice."
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