Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-20-2011, 04:36 PM
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10-20-2011, 04:41 PM
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Yes he is. He's blocking and ignoring the lawful flight pay loss resolution passed by my LEC.
Translation: Shut up and do what you're told. Exactly what a bottom-up organization should be...right Herkflyr?
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10-20-2011, 04:51 PM
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I DO have a problem with the card drive, especially as we enter section 6.
Every little thing that management gives in negotiations "raises the floor." If management is not sure who has authority to negotiate with them as our bargaining agent, management will sit tight until the uncertainty is resolved. There is no point in negotiating with the wrong party.
The way I see it, every card undermines the guy at the table bargaining on our behalf.
If the DPA wins the election, then I'll support the DPA (which will be supporting our pilots). However, at this point a representational battle just stalls, and harms, contract 2012.
Your post is right on the money ... participate in your LEC election. Elect guys who you support (and who support you).
JUST MY OPINION
Every little thing that management gives in negotiations "raises the floor." If management is not sure who has authority to negotiate with them as our bargaining agent, management will sit tight until the uncertainty is resolved. There is no point in negotiating with the wrong party.
The way I see it, every card undermines the guy at the table bargaining on our behalf.
If the DPA wins the election, then I'll support the DPA (which will be supporting our pilots). However, at this point a representational battle just stalls, and harms, contract 2012.
Your post is right on the money ... participate in your LEC election. Elect guys who you support (and who support you).
JUST MY OPINION
The evidence is all around us that we are being "mushroomed". We are now being explicitly told that we will "of course" not see the survey results or the opener...even though we ALWAYS saw the opener on the North side. The excuse is some idiotic analogy to playing poker.
Glad you're happy with this, but I'm not. If we don't change this course, we lose.
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10-20-2011, 04:57 PM
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Well, if you can do the math to come up with a CASM (cost per available seat mile) comparison, and IF we come out much 'cheaper' than they, and IF you can attribute all of the difference in CASM to Pilot Pay, then you might have an argument for an increase to match them, worth exploiting.
The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.
So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.
But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?
The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.
So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.
But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?
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10-20-2011, 05:03 PM
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10-20-2011, 05:11 PM
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There is a new Chairman's letter out. Here is just a small excerpt.
"....But let’s be clear. It will soon be time for Delta to make a healthy investment in its pilots in the form of significant PWA improvements...."
Sounds good to me. BRING ON THE SIGNIFICANT PWA IMPROVEMENTS!!!!!!
"....But let’s be clear. It will soon be time for Delta to make a healthy investment in its pilots in the form of significant PWA improvements...."
Sounds good to me. BRING ON THE SIGNIFICANT PWA IMPROVEMENTS!!!!!!
10-20-2011, 05:21 PM
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There is a new Chairman's letter out. Here is just a small excerpt.
"....But let’s be clear. It will soon be time for Delta to make a healthy investment in its pilots in the form of significant PWA improvements...."
Sounds good to me. BRING ON THE SIGNIFICANT PWA IMPROVEMENTS!!!!!!
"....But let’s be clear. It will soon be time for Delta to make a healthy investment in its pilots in the form of significant PWA improvements...."
Sounds good to me. BRING ON THE SIGNIFICANT PWA IMPROVEMENTS!!!!!!
10-20-2011, 05:32 PM
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I agree that sounded good and was more in line with what I want to hear from TO. However, I'm reminded of Bill Clinton's "definition of is." I'd like for TO to elaborate a little more on his idea of "significant." I've heard the COLA we obtained to our bankruptcy/emergency rates described as "significant." I hope we're not talking that kind of "significant."
10-20-2011, 06:04 PM
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You guys are missing the "between the lines". The mention of potential consolidation in the last paragraph is no accident. In fact it makes me think moves are already afoot to acq either AK or both AK and Hawaiian.
W slot swap done and in hand... The western front is next.
I say NO interim mergers. Agreements. Pwa's of ANY kind, until C12 is in the bag. I have moved backwards since this merger as have ALL of my W2's and I'm sick of it.
W slot swap done and in hand... The western front is next.
I say NO interim mergers. Agreements. Pwa's of ANY kind, until C12 is in the bag. I have moved backwards since this merger as have ALL of my W2's and I'm sick of it.
10-20-2011, 06:13 PM
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Typing on iPhone so slow but I think wrt the 777 orders, if it was list price of $298M how many 744s could have been purchased? Because in one day you could have flown 269 people in one direction or 3,760 in 10 different directions or more importantly moved a lot of tonnage in cargo.
I was reading a old magazine the other day talking about the Beechcraft King Air and the article mentioned that "in keeping with traditional Beechcraft values the airplane had top notch flying qualities and interior fit and finish..." That made me wonder, what are our traditional values as an airline?
I think I know one, we buy wisely. The MD90 fleet is indicative of that value. The 739 by all indications was a steal.
We also manage the network wise(r).
But one value I don't want to lose is front line people. Are gate agents, pilots, FAs and rampers should be as wisely managed. Or we will suffer.
I was reading a old magazine the other day talking about the Beechcraft King Air and the article mentioned that "in keeping with traditional Beechcraft values the airplane had top notch flying qualities and interior fit and finish..." That made me wonder, what are our traditional values as an airline?
I think I know one, we buy wisely. The MD90 fleet is indicative of that value. The 739 by all indications was a steal.
We also manage the network wise(r).
But one value I don't want to lose is front line people. Are gate agents, pilots, FAs and rampers should be as wisely managed. Or we will suffer.
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