Originally Posted by flyallnite

I respectfully disagree that it's an apples to oranges comparison in the case of our J/V partners. We are a virtually merged airline. We fly the same passengers on the same routes and share revenue. This is germane to the topic of our pay.

Originally Posted by flyallnite

I respectfully disagree that it's an apples to oranges comparison in the case of our J/V partners. We are a virtually merged airline. We fly the same passengers on the same routes and share revenue. This is germane to the topic of our pay.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Yeah talk about a Sophie's choice.

I was going to put subcontracting as number 1, because it is so general. But I didn't like leaving DCI anywhere but number 1. DCI is subcontracting, and it is, by far, our largest and most dammaging subcontracting. 40-50% of our block hours and a similar percentage of our pilot jobs.

Alter Ego is a holding company scope issue and we already have that, with only DCI being the outstanding issue to be resolved.

Bankruptcy protection is sort of a nebulous construct because you can't really ever have that, especially us as labor. I ranked that low only because why waste point weighting on something that would likely be thrown out in, well, bankrputcy?

Foreign Ownership and Cabotage are huge threats. But that must be handled at the legislative level and has little to do with our contract.

Successorship, Merger, Fragmentation and Change of Control are also important, but we already have about as much protection in those areas that any contract, especially any ALPA contract, can provide given the era of relative arbitration and the federal merger law.

So that's why IMO DCI is by far the biggest issue that is causing the most dammage that is most within our control. Its the issue that we can do the most about in C2012. Its the issue that our current book drops the ball on the most and that our next book can make the most progress on.

A close second would be the AK code share abuse, but there are at lease some supposed revenue sharing restrictions. Not so with DCI, where we get 100% of the revenue after paying 105-110 or so percent of the costs. And DCI is WAY, WAY, WAY bigger an outsourcing and a downward force cancer than AK.

YMMV.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Well, if you can do the math to come up with a CASM (cost per available seat mile) comparison, and IF we come out much 'cheaper' than they, and IF you can attribute all of the difference in CASM to Pilot Pay, then you might have an argument for an increase to match them, worth exploiting.

The company will come back with something along the lines of, "But it's much more expensive to live in Paris than in PTC, so they have to pay them more, and they have to pay 50% income tax, and their gubmint pays their health care..." etc.

So, to my way of thinking, it's still apples and oranges.

But in your way of thinking, what argument would you make to the company with this information?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

do do do, la la la, is all I've got to say to you ...



She looks better than the Eskimo.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Post 76700 FWIW

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Yep, no one has had the gumption to post that one.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

It's meaningless and oh so true
do do do, la la la

Originally Posted by sinca3

So which one of those choices is Alaska code share?
Forgive my ignorance but I just don't see it in any post.
I need a straight answer.