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10-19-2011, 06:17 PM

#78351

UncleSam

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Here's the link I got the 9,700 euros/month figure: Air France-KLM/ jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

When I click that link, I get a chart which says it was last updated in 1969.

10-19-2011, 06:18 PM

#78352

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Honestly Bill, if I were elected to that job it would be a very clear strategy: Fire nearly every entrenched bureaucrat in our MEC and tell them I hope they can still pass a checkride. Then embark on a merciless strategy to make this broken down heap a bottom up organization...in effect, I'd be working to make myself an almost meaningless figure head. Nothing but an articulate spokesperson for the will of the LEC reps.

Any other method leads to failure. Anything even remotely smacking of self-interested resume building leads to failure. They would call my first day at DALPA "Black Monday".

Carl

Go for it.

10-19-2011, 06:22 PM

#78353

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire

You mean one who wants to climb all the way to National and leads from the top down?

You're kidding right? Surely you're not insinuating that DALPA is operating as a bottom-up organization...are you?

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire

T.O is doing exactly what he is supposed to do - let the process play out, let the line pilots provide their input, the Reps provide direction, and ask what you want. The process is to start with the contract survey.

BS. The contract comparisons lied about SWAPA and omitted JV partners. Now these "leaders" are hiding behind their claim of operating by a bottom-up philosophy. All while totally ignoring the flight pay loss resolution from my council.

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire

Don't you find it a little ironic that there is constant yelling that the MEC doesn't listen to you, but then when they are asking your input and waiting to evaluate it you accuse them of lack of leadership?

Don't you find it ironic that the MEC would ask for our input after the shameful contract comparison document and the slanted survey?

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire

If this a bottom up organization those on the bottom need to provide some leadership as well instead of just looking for someone to follow and criticizing when they don't like the way the get lead.........

This is NOT a bottom up organization. That's one of the main reasons we're so broken.

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Ah yes...the obligatory cartoon to make those that disagree with DALPA look foolish. Really man, are you even capable of posting without a cartoon?

Carl

10-19-2011, 06:24 PM

#78354

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by gloopy

That's what I'm saying. There is this arguement that if we get one outsourced RJ back in scope negotiations we will lose staggering amounts of barganing capital and that just isn't so. I want to see immediate, significant outsourcing reductions starting on day one and progressing rapidly over the next several years until anything over 50 seats is either parked or brought back in house. Allowed 50 seater outsourcing should be reduced in line with the company's scheduled reductions of them anyway. And turbo props should be treated like jets. A pilot block our is a pilot block hour.

Exactamundo!

I vote for gloopy to replace that dude who "doesn't really want to be here."

Carl

10-19-2011, 06:32 PM

#78355

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleSam

When I click that link, I get a chart which says it was last updated in 1969.

OK, I'll post this again:

Air France-KLM jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

I just clicked on it and it went right to the chart. Next to the 9,700/ month euro figure, it says it was last updated in August of 2011.

Is anyone else able to successfully click this link and get the info?

Carl

10-19-2011, 06:35 PM

#78356

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

That populates the info. Thanks Carl.

10-19-2011, 07:07 PM

#78357

Elvis90

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Wow...thanks Carl, the link showed September 2011 data. DALPA wanted to reveal this data in November:

"We plan to present this three-way contract comparison to the Delta MEC in closed session at its November meeting."

Honestly, in the information age, what's the big secret? They stated:

"It was the original intent of this committee, as well as that of the entire Delta MEC, to provide this JV contract comparison information directly to you, the Delta pilots.* Unfortunately, although our European colleagues at Air France and KLM were completely open to explaining the provisions of their respective CLAs and answering our questions, they did so under the condition that the information would be held completely confidential."

They could at least give pay data based on public sources.

10-19-2011, 07:41 PM

#78358

contrails

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

For some reason the first link you had for that had no values on the charts.

This one does have the numbers on it.

Good research; I bet they also do not have 50% of the flight segments outsourced.

10-19-2011, 07:54 PM

#78359

shiznit

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Originally Posted by vprMatrix

Well the AF KLM contract comparison is out...

Not exactly what TO'M said we would be getting at the PTC roadshow.

This is just embarrassingly sad.

vpr

I hate it when the Dutch and the French take their right to privacy and get in the way of my year and a half away from now wish list....

Oh yeah, and the guys that I got to know and elected to directly represent me......I'll bet they will be sure to p!ss away that leverage and screw themselves and the other guys in my LEC with an inferior contract that they will have to live under.

Yeah, that for sure.