Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-14-2011, 02:10 PM
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That percentage is inaccurate (too low). Our 12 year Captain rate for the MD-88 in 2012 (current contract) is $167.68. At an average of 80 hours, that results in a W2 income of $160,972.80. The average SWA Captain W2 is over $230,000. Just to bring our MD-88 Captain (at 80 hours per month) up to an even $230K would require a 43% increase. For those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 43% is quite a bit more than 31.47%. 
The percentage is accurate.
I believe that you are comparing W2s and they are comparing rates.
I know you already understand this, but our goal should be to become the highest paid pilots. That is accomplished through a combination of increased pay RATES, and improved WORK RULES.
I don't want guys to focus on such and such rate, without understanding what effect any work rule changes add to our overall pay.
T
10-14-2011, 02:41 PM
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The percentage is accurate.
I believe that you are comparing W2s and they are comparing rates.
I know you already understand this, but our goal should be to become the highest paid pilots. That is accomplished through a combination of increased pay RATES, and improved WORK RULES.
I don't want guys to focus on such and such rate, without understanding what effect any work rule changes add to our overall pay.
T
I believe that you are comparing W2s and they are comparing rates.
I know you already understand this, but our goal should be to become the highest paid pilots. That is accomplished through a combination of increased pay RATES, and improved WORK RULES.
I don't want guys to focus on such and such rate, without understanding what effect any work rule changes add to our overall pay.
T
Bottom line, SWA pilots fly on average fewer days than DAL MD-88 pilots fly. They also fly about the same (maybe slightly more) block hours. But they make a heck of a lot more than 31% over DAL MD-88 pilots. However, we increase our pay... whether it's just through higher pay rates, or work rules, or a combination of both... we need a lot more than 31% to match our pay to SWA pay. Make sense?
10-14-2011, 02:47 PM
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10-14-2011, 02:52 PM
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Did they close the back door way of viewing your schedule before it pops up in crew resources?
10-14-2011, 08:15 PM
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10-14-2011, 08:20 PM
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10-14-2011, 08:21 PM
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10-14-2011, 10:47 PM
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I swear it will all make sense after the first week or so...
10-15-2011, 04:42 AM
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props, brotha! It's nice to be done. Ferd- the sidestick is a 2-3 finger control. Just a nudge here and there and it gets it done. Clear the ECAM to lights out then the QRH. Don't forget to clear the PPOS to the appropriate to/from sequence and activate the approach.
I swear it will all make sense after the first week or so...
I swear it will all make sense after the first week or so...
The guys with the hats are fDAL. The others are fNWA. At least we drink together.
10-15-2011, 05:02 AM
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Council 54 Update
From the council 54 update:
Scope: A historical overview of industry growth and the rise of regional carriers. Economic market forces have made the 50-seat jet destined for phase out. Do pilots want to spend negotiating capitol on a market segment that is economically dead? The current PWA has a total 255 plane limit on 70–76-seat RJs based on a fleet of 767 mainline aircraft. An area of management interest could be the 76–120 seat market. Scope is not all about RJs. It also pertains to who flies the larger aircraft in our joint ventures (JV) and code shares. These are the areas of increasing threat to the careers of Delta pilots. Do you care if little or no attention is paid in these areas of the contract? ALL of us will suffer more stagnation if we do not receive our fair share of the JVs that are in fact virtual mergers if not for U.S. laws on airline ownership. We have been vocal and vigilant about the threats to our jobs that cabotage would bring. Should Delta pilots continue to review and provide input to JV agreements? Pilots have the power and control to make these areas priorities in the contract survey. What’s good for Delta the corporation might not be good for Delta pilots. What do you think?
Yes I care!!! I am sure we all care. Do you really need to ask that question? Is there some reason JV's and small aircraft Scope are mutually exclusive???? It always bothers me when guys bring up a different issue when discussing Scope and say "But Hey, this is important too."
OK - Now here is my wise (or Wise-A$$) thought of the week.
If your boat has two leaks, fixing one is usually not a valid solution.
Finally, my advice to all who put a lot of effort and hard work into our contract - How about you pay attention to the whole thing!
Scoop
PS - This is not meant to be a slam against 54 - Hell, at least they mention Scope, but is meant to point out what surely must be an ALPA talking point.
Scope: A historical overview of industry growth and the rise of regional carriers. Economic market forces have made the 50-seat jet destined for phase out. Do pilots want to spend negotiating capitol on a market segment that is economically dead? The current PWA has a total 255 plane limit on 70–76-seat RJs based on a fleet of 767 mainline aircraft. An area of management interest could be the 76–120 seat market. Scope is not all about RJs. It also pertains to who flies the larger aircraft in our joint ventures (JV) and code shares. These are the areas of increasing threat to the careers of Delta pilots. Do you care if little or no attention is paid in these areas of the contract? ALL of us will suffer more stagnation if we do not receive our fair share of the JVs that are in fact virtual mergers if not for U.S. laws on airline ownership. We have been vocal and vigilant about the threats to our jobs that cabotage would bring. Should Delta pilots continue to review and provide input to JV agreements? Pilots have the power and control to make these areas priorities in the contract survey. What’s good for Delta the corporation might not be good for Delta pilots. What do you think?
Yes I care!!! I am sure we all care. Do you really need to ask that question? Is there some reason JV's and small aircraft Scope are mutually exclusive???? It always bothers me when guys bring up a different issue when discussing Scope and say "But Hey, this is important too."
OK - Now here is my wise (or Wise-A$$) thought of the week.
If your boat has two leaks, fixing one is usually not a valid solution.
Finally, my advice to all who put a lot of effort and hard work into our contract - How about you pay attention to the whole thing!
Scoop
PS - This is not meant to be a slam against 54 - Hell, at least they mention Scope, but is meant to point out what surely must be an ALPA talking point.
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