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Old 10-13-2011, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Hope so, I would go but went to the first one, and my son has a field trip today.

If you go make sure to ask them about the JV comparisons. Those should be out now. They are back from Europe with all of the data they need.
Said they expect that to be out next week in one of the "Notepads". JV partners asked that their benefits/salary, etc not be "public info" since they do not have to disclose their contracts specifics under EU rules.

Lots of frustration expressed today. Seemed well received by the MEC leadership. Point was made over and over that the leadership wants OUR views before they make public statements about ours goals in sect 6 other than to say "we expect improvements."

Video cameras were rolling so I expect it will be available on DALPA website.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:51 AM
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Holy cow!! The pitchforks sure came out in the Q n A!!!! Lots of angry pilots.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Holy cow!! The pitchforks sure came out in the Q n A!!!! Lots of angry pilots.
Please do tell!
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Holy cow!! The pitchforks sure came out in the Q n A!!!! Lots of angry pilots.

That is good. It is good when people that the MEC does not regularly see show up and show them their frustration. If it is the usual suspects, then it means a lot less.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:57 AM
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Holy cow!! The pitchforks sure came out in the Q n A!!!! Lots of angry pilots.
Hoser, what are guys generally ****ed off about? ALPA in general, pay, scope?
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Hoserpilot is in the house....

I see a tall young dude. Is that you ftb in the scruffy blue shirt?
I was there. This beard is getting itchy.

ACL, as far as the presentation went it was all the same slides from the MEC road show a few months ago at the Crowne Plaza.

Pitchforks is right, some pretty frustrated guys. TO and company were definitely in receive mode, which I think is what was intended.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Hoser, what are guys generally ****ed off about? ALPA in general, pay, scope?
One guy talked about the 88 pilots being thrown under the bus during the merger. We had a chance to bring 88 pay up to the bus and 737 pay but failed to do so. The whole room applauded.

Many talked about our unions lack of aggression and management of expectations. Guys want our leaders to unite and lead us in an effort to improve our contract. Instead the group seems to feel that we are shown doom and gloom slides with no chance to substantially improve our contract.

FWIW, I kind of agree with our union leaders. We need to complete the contract survey to really understand what the group wants. However, our pilot group would LOVE to see some enthusiastic and aggressive speeches highlighting an effort to improve our lives. Maybe I should get my old boss to speak for us. He filled stadiums and made people buy a bunch of junk. Great guy...anyone want to buy some soap?? haha (I only flew for him...I didn't join the cult)

The JV stuff was brought up a couple times. Sorry George, I didn't ask about the Virgin stuff. I was too busy giggling in the back corner while watching others burst blood vessels on their faces!!! I think I even saw steam come out of one dudes ears!! They said the growth with air france needs to be compared with the start of the JV, not just what we see right now. We have grown a lot since the beginning and they check the ratio's monthly.

Our small W2 compared to SWA was brought up a few times. One guy spoke about how our pay in 1992 is essentially the same 20 years later.....minus a bunch of benefits. Like I said.....guys are pi$$ed off and the message was delivered to our union loud and clear.

I've been to a few LEC meetings since coming to ATL. Usually only about 30-40 pilots show up. This place was filled....standing room only. Must have been close to 150 there.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:06 PM
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What was said on scope?
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
holy cow!! The pitchforks sure came out in the q n a!!!! Lots of angry pilots.
good! !
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