Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-03-2011, 03:01 PM
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There is no suggestion, there is no detailed analysis of pilot sentiment and desires until the survey results are known.
BTW, I flew with 2 pilots in the last 30 days that think we should only approve an extension with minor/no adjustments to our current PWA... I've only flown with 5 guys in that time span.....YIKES! I hope my sampling isn't a picture of the overall sentiment....... I know my thresholds are WAY HIGHER than those piggybacking slackers at SWA! (think FDX+ 20-25%)
I flew with a real cool guy who said that he just wants work rule improvements and did not care for pay raises. I just told him Im tired of being a broke a$$ FO with no debt and a wife that makes ends meet
And I told him we deserve and should get ALL of our money back plus inflation.TEN
10-03-2011, 03:04 PM
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Shiz,
I flew with a real cool guy who said that he just wants work rule improvements and did not care for pay raises. I just told him Im tired of being a broke a$$ FO with no debt and a wife that makes ends meet And I told him we deserve and should get ALL of our money back plus inflation.
TEN
I flew with a real cool guy who said that he just wants work rule improvements and did not care for pay raises. I just told him Im tired of being a broke a$$ FO with no debt and a wife that makes ends meet
And I told him we deserve and should get ALL of our money back plus inflation.TEN
10-03-2011, 03:16 PM
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See what I mean? These clowns are the same 70% that vote Yes for everything, first time around, without reading the fine print until it's too late. The MEC knows this.
You wonder why the MEC never uses the word "Restoration"??
That's why.
You wonder why the MEC never uses the word "Restoration"??
That's why.
10-03-2011, 03:34 PM
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It is the nature of scope liberalization. Once unity is traded away the remaining pilots have less leverage to do well in the next round of negotiations.
Scope is always a predictor of contract results.
Scope is always a predictor of contract results.
10-03-2011, 03:45 PM
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Shiz, ten and dragon, what were these guys reasonings?
10-03-2011, 03:54 PM
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10-03-2011, 04:18 PM
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10-03-2011, 04:22 PM
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Anybody else heard the rumor that the company approached ALPA offering us a 17% pay raise to put off negotiations for a few more years?
10-03-2011, 04:30 PM
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Is it just me, or, does all this talk of replacing our bargaining agent during Section 6 just seem a little dumb?
Most talk about replacing ALPA if the opener is unsatisfactory. How could you pick a worse time to start a representational battle? Regardless of your reasoning, management (and the NMB) will take a "wait and see" position. Nobody will give anything if they are not sure they are negotiating with the correct representative. It will be like my first attempts at doing business in Latin America. "Gringo, you sign contract with wrong person, he no have authority." In effect, we as a pilot group will have created the form of democracy being tried in Afghanistan.
Management absolutely will not "raise the floor" for the next representative to start with. We could demand 125% ... ... ... ... The result will be nothing will happen. We sure wont be released to strike by the NMB. So what's our next move?
The DPA needs to make a choice. Option 1 was to hold the vote last spring ... but they were unable to get the cards. Option 2 is to wait until AFTER Section 6 to avoid harming our Contract. By making our Bargaining Agent appear illegitimate they can prevent progress at the table.
The only significant leverage we have is getting released to strike. Every contract negotiation ends with a deal, or a strike. Getting the release to engage in self help is highly political. Just like management, the politicians aren't going to give ALPA or DPA any credibility if they are unsure who the bargaining agent will be.
Worst case, the DPA wins a vote, then realizes they have the exact same issues as ALPA had, but with no relationship with management or the NMB.
Vinegar and Bluster used to work in the union business, that changed in 1936.
Most talk about replacing ALPA if the opener is unsatisfactory. How could you pick a worse time to start a representational battle? Regardless of your reasoning, management (and the NMB) will take a "wait and see" position. Nobody will give anything if they are not sure they are negotiating with the correct representative. It will be like my first attempts at doing business in Latin America. "Gringo, you sign contract with wrong person, he no have authority." In effect, we as a pilot group will have created the form of democracy being tried in Afghanistan.
Management absolutely will not "raise the floor" for the next representative to start with. We could demand 125% ... ... ... ... The result will be nothing will happen. We sure wont be released to strike by the NMB. So what's our next move?
The DPA needs to make a choice. Option 1 was to hold the vote last spring ... but they were unable to get the cards. Option 2 is to wait until AFTER Section 6 to avoid harming our Contract. By making our Bargaining Agent appear illegitimate they can prevent progress at the table.
The only significant leverage we have is getting released to strike. Every contract negotiation ends with a deal, or a strike. Getting the release to engage in self help is highly political. Just like management, the politicians aren't going to give ALPA or DPA any credibility if they are unsure who the bargaining agent will be.
Worst case, the DPA wins a vote, then realizes they have the exact same issues as ALPA had, but with no relationship with management or the NMB.
Vinegar and Bluster used to work in the union business, that changed in 1936.
You know what else is very puzzling to me Bar: How good people like you can look the other way regarding ALPA's immoral behavior (TWA pilots and their in-house employees). You must be thinking that you'll be smart enough to pull your fortunes out in time before our immoral vendor uses its immorality against your interests. Again, I just don't understand how you think you'll be able to wake up without fleas.
Carl
10-03-2011, 04:32 PM
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All you Debbie Downers need a boost so here it goes.....
Almost every single 88 Captain I fly with will accept nothing less than SWA pay for the 88. The rest of the pay rates get adjusted UP from there. They are unanimously against further outsourcing on the top and bottom end. Many had previously been furloughed, or were close to it. Most have kids in college or about to enter. 15-20 years seniority and pi$$ed off is how I'd describe them.
Almost every single 88 Captain I fly with will accept nothing less than SWA pay for the 88. The rest of the pay rates get adjusted UP from there. They are unanimously against further outsourcing on the top and bottom end. Many had previously been furloughed, or were close to it. Most have kids in college or about to enter. 15-20 years seniority and pi$$ed off is how I'd describe them.
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