Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-03-2011, 04:35 AM
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10-03-2011, 04:38 AM
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Why is there no Football (a cooler filled with beer) in Narita? That sports bar sucks, the beer is way too expensive and the service sucks. I am always amazed that with about 350 crew laying over in NRT every night, there is Nothing going on, every night! What the -Heck-?
When we had the Frankfurt Hub there was a crew Happy Hour every night in the Biestro, (the hotel bar) two for one drinks, you had to get in there early just to get a table, and that was with only about 100 crew on site, by 6pm 70 of them would be in there.
Narita, 3x more people, and nobody shows up.
Next time, I'll be at the Barge Inn throwing darts...alone.
When we had the Frankfurt Hub there was a crew Happy Hour every night in the Biestro, (the hotel bar) two for one drinks, you had to get in there early just to get a table, and that was with only about 100 crew on site, by 6pm 70 of them would be in there.
Narita, 3x more people, and nobody shows up.
Next time, I'll be at the Barge Inn throwing darts...alone.
When the current guy got rid of the only good bartender and some KLM dude married everyones favorite waitress, things took a serious turn for the worse!
10-03-2011, 04:41 AM
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10-03-2011, 04:54 AM
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Agree completely!! We have been quietly discussing the need to get rid of the current manager in there. I'm sure he would me much happier working in the restaurant or somewhere. Things haven't been good there since the bankruptcy, but they have really gone down hill since the Aussie manager (cant remember his name) departed a year/18 months ago.
When the current guy got rid of the only good bartender and some KLM dude married everyones favorite waitress, things took a serious turn for the worse!
When the current guy got rid of the only good bartender and some KLM dude married everyones favorite waitress, things took a serious turn for the worse!
Narita is one of the most boring int'l layovers. Its good for working out and day trading, but its just a place to mark time til you die. Cheap beer would be nice.
10-03-2011, 04:58 AM
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10-03-2011, 05:23 AM
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Scambo, have you picked up the phone, called your Rep (or better yet, call all 3 of them) and let them know that a weak opener will push you (and many more of us) to submit a DPA card?
The Problem at DAL (south) has always been a weak and lazy PILOT GROUP, not weak leadership.
The Problem at DAL (south) has always been a weak and lazy PILOT GROUP, not weak leadership.
Maybe there is a computer expert out there that can make it very easy. Maybe DPA could provide a template like the ones that get sent to Washington DC. They could take credit for the "form letter"
You click on your council; surf through a drop down menu of issues (pay restoration, scope, JV, etc); fill out your contact info; edit or don't edit the content of a canned, but well-written letter; click send. Automatically sends to your reps and gives you a confirmation code. Print out the confirmation codes and start wall-papering the crew room! Seems like an idea to wake up the lazy pilot group, while indirectly promoting DPA and sending another shot across the bow of DALPA's ship.
It has to be as easy as posting on APC!
10-03-2011, 05:31 AM
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Timbo;
Of course I have spoken to my reps. Good guys BTW! I have emailed ref scope and RAH. I have emailed about gojets. I have emailed about DALPA/ALPA failings (IMO). I spoke with them day before yesterday.
I'm not lazy or apathetic. Unfortunately what I am is someone who has seen enough to not really trust anymore. I mean stuff like the survey which was overall great, but c'mon the legal speak was so thick that if you were up on the issues, 750 characters was just spent trying to undo the corner that the legal speak painted you into in the first place.
Of course I have spoken to my reps. Good guys BTW! I have emailed ref scope and RAH. I have emailed about gojets. I have emailed about DALPA/ALPA failings (IMO). I spoke with them day before yesterday.
I'm not lazy or apathetic. Unfortunately what I am is someone who has seen enough to not really trust anymore. I mean stuff like the survey which was overall great, but c'mon the legal speak was so thick that if you were up on the issues, 750 characters was just spent trying to undo the corner that the legal speak painted you into in the first place.
10-03-2011, 05:40 AM
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Maybe there is a computer expert out there that can make it very easy. Maybe DPA could provide a template like the ones that get sent to Washington DC. They could take credit for the "form letter"
You click on your council; surf through a drop down menu of issues (pay restoration, scope, JV, etc); fill out your contact info; edit or don't edit the content of a canned, but well-written letter; click send. Automatically sends to your reps and gives you a confirmation code. Print out the confirmation codes and start wall-papering the crew room! Seems like an idea to wake up the lazy pilot group, while indirectly promoting DPA and sending another shot across the bow of DALPA's ship.
It has to be as easy as posting on APC!
You click on your council; surf through a drop down menu of issues (pay restoration, scope, JV, etc); fill out your contact info; edit or don't edit the content of a canned, but well-written letter; click send. Automatically sends to your reps and gives you a confirmation code. Print out the confirmation codes and start wall-papering the crew room! Seems like an idea to wake up the lazy pilot group, while indirectly promoting DPA and sending another shot across the bow of DALPA's ship.
It has to be as easy as posting on APC!
Nope, that's much too easy, the Reps know it's too easy, and it would have zero effect on swaying a LEC rep, just like all those letters have zero effect on the politicians in DC. Do you really think they read any of them?
You need to be in their faces, face to face, 100 pilots in the room screaming for restoration is what is needed.
Until that happens, well, it's not going to happen, ever, so get used to the MEC setting a low bar and then failing to get over it.
But do any of you think it will be any different with a different bunch of Leaders? DPA will still have the same (lazy) pilot group to deal with.
Like my Dad says, you can't make a horse out of horse schiet...
So it is what it is. I've been going to LEC meetings and screaming about it since I got hired, but nothing ever changes. The MEC answer is always, "Well the rest of the pilots are ok with it..."
I'm over it. You DPA guys can pick up the flag and charge the hill...just don't be surprised when you look back and nobody's following you.
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10-03-2011, 05:45 AM
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Side Question:
Anyone recommend a doc in SLC to renew my medical?
Preferably an old guy who can't see, asks me how I feel and gives me a first class based on me telling him I feel great.
Anyone recommend a doc in SLC to renew my medical?
Preferably an old guy who can't see, asks me how I feel and gives me a first class based on me telling him I feel great.
10-03-2011, 05:49 AM
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Timbo;
Of course I have spoken to my reps. Good guys BTW! I have emailed ref scope and RAH. I have emailed about gojets. I have emailed about DALPA/ALPA failings (IMO). I spoke with them day before yesterday.
I'm not lazy or apathetic. Unfortunately what I am is someone who has seen enough to not really trust anymore. I mean stuff like the survey which was overall great, but c'mon the legal speak was so thick that if you were up on the issues, 750 characters was just spent trying to undo the corner that the legal speak painted you into in the first place.
Of course I have spoken to my reps. Good guys BTW! I have emailed ref scope and RAH. I have emailed about gojets. I have emailed about DALPA/ALPA failings (IMO). I spoke with them day before yesterday.
I'm not lazy or apathetic. Unfortunately what I am is someone who has seen enough to not really trust anymore. I mean stuff like the survey which was overall great, but c'mon the legal speak was so thick that if you were up on the issues, 750 characters was just spent trying to undo the corner that the legal speak painted you into in the first place.
What my reps tell me is, we (the 30% of us who care) are "In the Minority". They speak of the "Silent Majority", ie. the 70% who won't put down their golf clubs for an afternoon to attend a LEC meeting.
They figure they pay the LEC guys to "Take care of it" so what ever they come up with must be "The best deal they could do..." and they then vote Yes, with no knowledge of what they are voting for!
When I ask them WHY would you vote YES to that??! They say, "Well...the MEC told me to!"
When I ask the MEC guys why they voted YES to any crappy T/A, they say, "Well, the pilots didn't show up at the meetings in any numbers strong enough to make us feel confident in a job action."
And you know the company usually has a guy or two in there to monitor attendance and report back on the "mood of the pilots", right? Well if nobody shows up, I guess there is no problem, right?
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