DAL 88 Driver

I think you're limited to 99% by the survey format.

Thanks for taking my word for it... but for anyone else having a hard time wrapping their brain around this, here's a little further clarification:

Let's use $100/hour as an example. If you take a 32.5% pay cut, you end up with a new rate of $67.50. If you take a further 14% pay cut on the $67.50, you end up with a new rate of $58.05. $58.05 is a cumulative total of a 42% (41.95% to be exact) pay cut off the $100 rate with which you started.

To restore a 42% pay cut would require a 73% increase. (Look at the $100 rate again. $100 - 42% = $58. $58 + 73% = $100.)

Now, we had some pay increases since we took the cumulative total pay cut of 42%. That's the reason it no longer takes a 73% increase to restore our 2004 C2K rates. With the rates we have now, it takes a 41.5% increase to restore us back to the actual 2004 C2K rates. If you factor in inflation to those 2004 C2K rates, it then takes a 70% increase to restore our current rates back to the buying power those 2004 C2K rates afforded.

Hope that helps.

Carl Spackler

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It wouldn't help ALPA in my opinion. But DALPA's opinion seems to be similar to that of acl65pilot in that they see zero chance of DPA succeeding. With that in mind, killing DTW would simply serve constructive notice to the surviving LEC's as to who is in charge.

Carl

Bill Lumberg

If the TA is weak, then you might have that in a weekend. I hand out cards with stamps attached, so it's easier for them to send it in. It makes a world of a difference.

acl65pilot

No,no, Ferd needs to be around. He is a lot of fun to party with. I just not so sure if he will be that was after going to FiFi!

acl65pilot

I can also tell you that, if the pilots want 10-15% total that is what they are going to go for. Strat Planning gives their opinion, and the MEC will decide where to go.

I would be floored if the opener is less than what you suggest. I would expect close what the SEA FO Rep states in his article North By Southwest as a end game, not a opener. Oh and btw, if it is no where near that, the decision for me will be easy, No! Scope give backs? Nope, Work Rule give backs? Nope.

Even if AMR is in CH11 I am not giving anything back.

DAL 88 Driver

Well I REALLY hope I get to buy you that steak! But I'm not holding my breath...

tomgoodman

Stand by for shocking and flooring rumors about the opener from "a friend in the know" or "a guy on my jumpseat". That always happens.

newKnow

As a life-long Bears fan, I have learned several things:

1.) Do not to apologize for any Bears win. The other teams are better than them anyway. They will make up for it.

2.) When you expect the Bears to win -- they lose. When you expect them to lose -- they win.

3.) It's always better to be lucky than good.

It looks like you have something special with Newton though.


I agree, if there is anyone who could kick some butt and enforce stronger scope FOR Delta pilots, it would be Carl. He shouldn't sell himself short.

Bill Lumberg

That's not really true. When I told a rep from my LEC to stop managing my expectations, he told me "I'm just giving you REALISTIC expectations.". They are already trying to prepare us for something. Yet another reason I am looking towards a new union vote. With bag fees totaling over $950 million last year, and we shouldn't EXPECT a big raise? No way. American going BK is one comparison, but UAL making almost twice as much as we did last quarter is another ($366 million before early out payouts vs UAL's $583 million with CAL).

buzzpat

And, OBTW, the Packers rock. A-rod is the man (that's Aaron Rodgers for you neophytes, not the Yankee guy) (but Cam is looking pretty damn good for a kid.)