Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-02-2011, 05:57 PM
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Clempson? As in Clemson?
For Clemson fans, word to the wise, you are about to have an awesome year. I can see an undefeated season and... well see Auburn 2004 for more details.
For Clemson fans, word to the wise, you are about to have an awesome year. I can see an undefeated season and... well see Auburn 2004 for more details.
10-02-2011, 06:11 PM
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How 'bout them Badgers? Your prediction that they'll be in the bcs championship looks much better after that thrashing they put on Nebraska.
10-02-2011, 06:11 PM
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Here's something to keep in mind when you fill out your contract survey:
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
1) Under "concessions since 2004", we took two pay cuts, not one. The first one (prior to BK) was 32.5%. The second one (during BK) was 14%. Cumulative effect of a 42% pay cut. So that should read 42%, not 32.5%. Edit: And after adjusting for pay rate increases through 2012, the number is just under 29.1%, not 29.5%.
2) To restore our C2K rates with COLA requires a 70% increase. Might want to add that for additional SA.
Last edited by DAL 88 Driver; 10-02-2011 at 07:48 PM. Reason: found one other small mistake in original document
10-02-2011, 06:11 PM
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Hey, you guys are missing Pan Am right now...
See how it's supposed to be, or useta wuz.
See how it's supposed to be, or useta wuz.
10-02-2011, 06:15 PM
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You're only half right. He's welcomed them into the DPA, but he's not said he would like to retain much of them. He's welcomed them to run right along with the rest of us. This is in stark contrast to what I'm hearing about DALPA wanting to Article 8 DTW out of DALPA because of Detroit's very large support of the DPA.
Carl
Carl
- Doesn't Atlanta have greater "support" than Detroit?
- How would killing (Section 8) the Council 20 help? It would seem that would encourage the rest of Detroit to join.
10-02-2011, 06:17 PM
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Here's something to keep in mind when you fill out your contract survey:
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
10-02-2011, 06:23 PM
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Quote from above: "That is excellent, Timbo! Just a couple of things I would suggest correcting and adding.
1) Under "concessions since 2004", we took two pay cuts, not one. The first one (prior to BK) was 32.5%. The second one (during BK) was 14%. Cumulative effect of a 42% pay cut. So that should read 42%, not 32.5%.
2) To restore our C2K rates with COLA requires a 70% increase. Might want to add that for additional SA."
My reply:
Yeah, I know that, I was here, but we have been getting pay raises every year since 2004. The 32.5% number is to get from TODAY's pay rates, back to 2004 rates.
Also, I clipped that from the DALPA board, I'm not smart enough to do the math, but I thought it was a pretty good, short, synopsis of what it's going to take to get back to where we were. So, keep those numbers in mind when you fill out the survey.
Now, get back to watching Pan Am, so you can see what our Flight Attendants should look like too! I think some of the ones in the show (set in 1962?) are still flying for us...
And where's the Pink Underboob? I say we need at least one good shot every day for Breast Cancer Awareness Month!
Jeez, I think the Jets offensive line is on estrogen...they are playing like a bunch of little girls, might just as well watch Pan Am!
1) Under "concessions since 2004", we took two pay cuts, not one. The first one (prior to BK) was 32.5%. The second one (during BK) was 14%. Cumulative effect of a 42% pay cut. So that should read 42%, not 32.5%.
2) To restore our C2K rates with COLA requires a 70% increase. Might want to add that for additional SA."
My reply:
Yeah, I know that, I was here, but we have been getting pay raises every year since 2004. The 32.5% number is to get from TODAY's pay rates, back to 2004 rates.
Also, I clipped that from the DALPA board, I'm not smart enough to do the math, but I thought it was a pretty good, short, synopsis of what it's going to take to get back to where we were. So, keep those numbers in mind when you fill out the survey.
Now, get back to watching Pan Am, so you can see what our Flight Attendants should look like too! I think some of the ones in the show (set in 1962?) are still flying for us...
And where's the Pink Underboob? I say we need at least one good shot every day for Breast Cancer Awareness Month!
Jeez, I think the Jets offensive line is on estrogen...they are playing like a bunch of little girls, might just as well watch Pan Am!
Last edited by Timbo; 10-02-2011 at 06:30 PM. Reason: clarity...if there is such a thing on the intertubes.
10-02-2011, 06:36 PM
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10-02-2011, 06:37 PM
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Quote from above: "That is excellent, Timbo! Just a couple of things I would suggest correcting and adding.
1) Under "concessions since 2004", we took two pay cuts, not one. The first one (prior to BK) was 32.5%. The second one (during BK) was 14%. Cumulative effect of a 42% pay cut. So that should read 42%, not 32.5%.
2) To restore our C2K rates with COLA requires a 70% increase. Might want to add that for additional SA."
My reply:
Yeah, I know that, I was here, but we have been getting pay raises every year since 2004. The 32.5% number is to get from TODAY's pay rates, back to 2004 rates.
Also, I clipped that from the DALPA board, I'm not smart enough to do the math, but I thought it was a pretty good, short, synopsis of what it's going to take to get back to where we were. So, keep those numbers in mind when you fill out the survey.
Now, get back to watching Pan Am, so you can see what our Flight Attendants should look like too! I think some of the ones in the show (set in 1962?) are still flying for us...
And where's the Pink Underboob? I say we need at least one good shot every day for Breast Cancer Awareness Month!
1) Under "concessions since 2004", we took two pay cuts, not one. The first one (prior to BK) was 32.5%. The second one (during BK) was 14%. Cumulative effect of a 42% pay cut. So that should read 42%, not 32.5%.
2) To restore our C2K rates with COLA requires a 70% increase. Might want to add that for additional SA."
My reply:
Yeah, I know that, I was here, but we have been getting pay raises every year since 2004. The 32.5% number is to get from TODAY's pay rates, back to 2004 rates.
Also, I clipped that from the DALPA board, I'm not smart enough to do the math, but I thought it was a pretty good, short, synopsis of what it's going to take to get back to where we were. So, keep those numbers in mind when you fill out the survey.
Now, get back to watching Pan Am, so you can see what our Flight Attendants should look like too! I think some of the ones in the show (set in 1962?) are still flying for us...
And where's the Pink Underboob? I say we need at least one good shot every day for Breast Cancer Awareness Month!
That's not the easiest thing to explain.
Make sense?
10-02-2011, 06:41 PM
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No...but I'll take your word for it. Like I said, I didn't come up with the numbers but I'm going to put 150% raise on my survey, just to offset all the asshats who will put something lame like 25%.
And on the Man Card? Well if the Jets would just play football instead of feild hockey, I wouldn't be watching Pan Am!
And on the Man Card? Well if the Jets would just play football instead of feild hockey, I wouldn't be watching Pan Am!
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