Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-02-2011, 05:01 PM
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10-02-2011, 05:19 PM
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We will more than likely not see the opener(s)
I would love for DPA to be the answer, but it isn't. Given where this industry is going, and what we will be dealing with in the next decade, a National Union with localized MEC's is the only way to fight against the effects of Transnational airlines. Ergo, we have to fix it. If we as a group choose not to, we will suffer the effects of turning inward.
I would love for DPA to be the answer, but it isn't. Given where this industry is going, and what we will be dealing with in the next decade, a National Union with localized MEC's is the only way to fight against the effects of Transnational airlines. Ergo, we have to fix it. If we as a group choose not to, we will suffer the effects of turning inward.
can't say there isn't a conflict of interest between the legacies and the regionals with ALPA. That problem will never go away. Throw in the fact that we only got about $10 million in services from ALPA out of the $35 million in dues, and I want more for ME with my money. I am not paying for the regional guys with my pay.
10-02-2011, 05:22 PM
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I really hope you're right about that. But I gotta be honest, I will be truly SHOCKED if our opener is even a 30% increase in pay. With guys like RW in Strategic Planning, his sidekick RH, and a Moak disciple as MEC Chairman, I just don't see anything remotely close to that happening.
But I'll tell ya what... if our opener would result in a big enough increase that our average domestic narrowbody pilot would have a W2 of over $230K (with no scope givebacks), I'll buy you a steak dinner with all the trimmings and write "ACL is a genius" 100 times on the APC chalkboard!
How's that?
But I'll tell ya what... if our opener would result in a big enough increase that our average domestic narrowbody pilot would have a W2 of over $230K (with no scope givebacks), I'll buy you a steak dinner with all the trimmings and write "ACL is a genius" 100 times on the APC chalkboard!
How's that?
10-02-2011, 05:23 PM
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10-02-2011, 05:34 PM
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10-02-2011, 05:38 PM
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10-02-2011, 05:44 PM
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10-02-2011, 05:46 PM
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Here's something to keep in mind when you fill out your contract survey:
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
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[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts
(Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide)
■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1]
■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2]
■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights)
■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012
(Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA)
■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates
(received a 33% increase to this rate)
■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00)
■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10)
■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4)
■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0)
■Lost 6th week of Vacation
■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted
■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days)
■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip
■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees
■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights)
■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr)
■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6%
■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs
■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs
■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs
■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning)
■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank
■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35
■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6%
■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4]
■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5]
■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6]
■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers
(This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte)
Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ?
Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] DALPA 2011 Contract History
[2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06
[3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison
[4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com
[5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11
[6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11
10-02-2011, 05:49 PM
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Newk, check pm.
And no it has nothing to do with your @$&@&$ bears.
And no it has nothing to do with your @$&@&$ bears.
10-02-2011, 05:54 PM
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