Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-02-2011, 02:29 PM
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That much I am certain of.
*AMR going CH11 changes everything, for the worse.
10-02-2011, 02:38 PM
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10-02-2011, 02:40 PM
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Can't find a list anywhere on the MEC site either.
10-02-2011, 02:59 PM
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I'll bet that's correct. We always saw them at NWA. I remember always saying: Man this would be GREAT! But since it was the opener, we never got it...but we knew where the MEC was aiming. Our current MEC will not want us to know where they are aiming.
Totally incorrect, and certainly ALPA has shown no results on global issues...other than having their seat at the table.
Carl
Given where this industry is going, and what we will be dealing with in the next decade, a National Union with localized MEC's is the only way to fight against the effects of Transnational airlines. Ergo, we have to fix it. If we as a group choose not to, we will suffer the effects of turning inward.
Carl
10-02-2011, 03:23 PM
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George,
I agree the math does not look good:
300K/month - lets round up to 333K/month and assume a cool million every 3 months or 4 million per year.
At that rate they would burn through the whole 5.6B in only 1400 years!!!!!
The sad part is with the RLA they will still be under the current contract.
OK - I apologize in advance for being a wise-a$$.
Scoop
I agree the math does not look good:
300K/month - lets round up to 333K/month and assume a cool million every 3 months or 4 million per year.
At that rate they would burn through the whole 5.6B in only 1400 years!!!!!
The sad part is with the RLA they will still be under the current contract.
OK - I apologize in advance for being a wise-a$$.
Scoop
Ok so 1B/3months, do the math
+ a rate of 1200 retirements/year until they file...
It'll bee ugly.
Cheers
George
Cheers
George
10-02-2011, 04:20 PM
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But I'll tell ya what... if our opener would result in a big enough increase that our average domestic narrowbody pilot would have a W2 of over $230K (with no scope givebacks), I'll buy you a steak dinner with all the trimmings and write "ACL is a genius" 100 times on the APC chalkboard!
How's that?
10-02-2011, 04:42 PM
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But I'll tell ya what... if our opener would result in a big enough increase that our average domestic narrowbody pilot would have a W2 of over $230K (with no scope givebacks), I'll buy you a steak dinner with all the trimmings and write "ACL is a genius" 100 times on the APC chalkboard! How's that?
How's that?Carl
10-02-2011, 04:44 PM
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Different time and era.
Today we have a handful of major airlines that basically subsidize many regionals.
Today we have conflict of interest with the same regionals, and newer ones, as they fly larger equipment in greater numbers than in '95
Today we have potentially bankrupting judgements against ALPA being decided after a jury has found them guilt of DFR.
Today we have airlines living under bankruptcy contracts struggling to restore wages and benefits while a tone deaf ALPA continues to live lavishly.
I could go on and on; I'll leave it for others.
However, ALPA is now like an over extended game of Jenga. One mistep and the whole structure comes down. If DAL left ALPA, could they survive without the revenue? Would the other members agree that an increase in dues would be exceptable to maintain ALPA? Would we agree to that if UAL left and DAL remained? How about an assesment to cover their legal failings?
Point is ACL, PPA and DPA are not even comparable. In all likelihood if DPA or UPA or any other independent is formed, it will be due to self inflicted wounds on ALPA's part. And that over extended game of Jenga, they are the only one playing it now and pulling pieces out of it. DPA can wait til it crashes down, then rebuild. They might not even have to push for the extra 2000 cards. They will come in in numbers greater than that when the wound comes.
The potentially biggest self inflicted wound will be the opener.
Good night. Got football to catch up on now that I can find real football on tv. Not that round ball stuff.
Today we have a handful of major airlines that basically subsidize many regionals.
Today we have conflict of interest with the same regionals, and newer ones, as they fly larger equipment in greater numbers than in '95
Today we have potentially bankrupting judgements against ALPA being decided after a jury has found them guilt of DFR.
Today we have airlines living under bankruptcy contracts struggling to restore wages and benefits while a tone deaf ALPA continues to live lavishly.
I could go on and on; I'll leave it for others.
However, ALPA is now like an over extended game of Jenga. One mistep and the whole structure comes down. If DAL left ALPA, could they survive without the revenue? Would the other members agree that an increase in dues would be exceptable to maintain ALPA? Would we agree to that if UAL left and DAL remained? How about an assesment to cover their legal failings?
Point is ACL, PPA and DPA are not even comparable. In all likelihood if DPA or UPA or any other independent is formed, it will be due to self inflicted wounds on ALPA's part. And that over extended game of Jenga, they are the only one playing it now and pulling pieces out of it. DPA can wait til it crashes down, then rebuild. They might not even have to push for the extra 2000 cards. They will come in in numbers greater than that when the wound comes.
The potentially biggest self inflicted wound will be the opener.
Good night. Got football to catch up on now that I can find real football on tv. Not that round ball stuff.
I am still handing out cards and got reading material in my bag.
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10-02-2011, 04:48 PM
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10-02-2011, 04:57 PM
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) Then you win as MEC Chairman at UAL and have like-minded councils over there. Could National be fixed if you or Carl became President of National ALPA?I don't even know why I am talking to you. Your #@%# bears beat my Cam. And it wasn't even the @%#%^ bears. It was that @#%@3 Hester guy again.
But, to answer your question and couple it all together with what ACL was talking about here,
We will more than likely not see the opener(s)
I would love for DPA to be the answer, but it isn't. Given where this industry is going, and what we will be dealing with in the next decade, a National Union with localized MEC's is the only way to fight against the effects of Transnational airlines. Ergo, we have to fix it. If we as a group choose not to, we will suffer the effects of turning inward.
I would love for DPA to be the answer, but it isn't. Given where this industry is going, and what we will be dealing with in the next decade, a National Union with localized MEC's is the only way to fight against the effects of Transnational airlines. Ergo, we have to fix it. If we as a group choose not to, we will suffer the effects of turning inward.
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