Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Good sound bite, but the Ford-Cooksey settlement is meet and confer, nothing more. We can and will do what we want. You also know that.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Dude, it is simple math. You are a business man, and I am sure that you pay retainers et al, of services you may need. It is a lot cheaper to bundle those service or bring them in house where possible.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Lets look at the decision the TWA MEC made, and how the legal advice was crafted to meet that choice.

You had an airline on the verge of CH7 that was bought by AMR. Fact, and that reality came in to play. There are limits to everything. Is ALPA without fault? Not on your life. I too have issues with a lot of things, but the reality is that all of them can be fixed if people are willing. To date they are not. DPA will have issues, and one or two contracts down the road, people are going to want to give them the boot for the same reasons people are listing against ALPA today.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Typical response. Far from brainwashed. I just know it is not a structure issue within the CB&L.

If anything within the CB&L needs to be changed, it would be voting for our leaders, with recall of National Officers left to the BOD and the MEC Admin left to the MEC.

I also would like all issues of structure and policy left up to the BOD not the Executive Board. We could leave it there, but only if these voting officers were elected by popular vote.

I am willing to back up your resolution for that. You willing to submit it?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Frankly Carl, the biggest power with regard to these resolutions, is how the makeup of the drafting committees is done, and how these resolutions are assigned to each committee. I suspect that a resolution could very easily pass or fail depending on the makeup of a given committee.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

I will keep it simple Carl. It has been tried before at FDX and look who they came back to?

Fighting this out in the middle of section 6 is just plain bad business for the DAL pilots. The only way you could get a mid negotiation vote is if they had a TA that sold scope that failed. Even then we would be looking at four to five years for an agreement.

Call it my opinion Carl, but independents pay more assessments than we do. Lets see what happens when AMR is pulled in to a merger or CH11. They will need lots o cash to deal with that, and they do not currently have it. How much as USAPA had to pay in donations or assessments for their fight against the SLI? Does SWAPA has the cash to fight something the company wants and they don't? It will happen.

Wrt to the Reps, they are the ones that determine our leadership. The current makeup of the MEC is fairly down the middle on most issues. A slight change in your favor would make the difference. That is not "false hope." That is the reality.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl;
DPA will go away just like PPA did when a new contract is signed. POS 96 was not a winner of a contract either, but PPA died off.

What I want to see is every pilot that put a DPA card in show up at one just one LEC meeting in their base. Show a unified force. Right now that is not seen. When that is, you will be seen as a group that needs to be given due consideration. Until then, mailing a card does nothing. Last could DPA still needed 3000+ cards to force a vote.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

ALPA is more than a vendor. You could get away with that explanation if not one pilot for your airline, on your seniority list volunteered or worked for ALPA, but that is not the case.

Last time I checked, people who hire vendors do not work for them.

Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate

That whole compounding argument assumes sustained growth. That paradigm may be on the way out the door. In the world of flat or sustained negative returns getting and living debt free makes a lot of sense.

Has anyone ever met a financial advisory that told you to get out of the market or not buy and hold?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Again, this has nothing to do with the actual facts written by Massey. Those facts clearly show to me that we have an MEC professional bureaucracy interested in consolidating their power and further marginalizing locals reps and line pilots.

Carl

Originally Posted by Fly4hire

There was a resolution (AI 11-137) passed at the last MEC meeting to post a comprehensive list of all ALPA volunteers on the MEC website so you should be able to find who is on what committee there.