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10-02-2011, 11:44 AM
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The recall of a rep is trivially easy.
I know a dozen fence sitters to are holding tight to see if the DPA can really deliver on anything. If the DPA wants to show it can be effective, what better way than rick-rolling a LEC or two?
Pull a rep or two, and I guarantee that the others will see the writing on the wall.
Nu
I know a dozen fence sitters to are holding tight to see if the DPA can really deliver on anything. If the DPA wants to show it can be effective, what better way than rick-rolling a LEC or two?
Pull a rep or two, and I guarantee that the others will see the writing on the wall.
Nu
10-02-2011, 11:45 AM
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DPA says it wants what is best for DAL pilots. I bet you that well over 85% of this group will tell you that what is best for them is a great contract. Pushing this drive though section six will result in less for everyone, and that is not what is best for this group.
Carl
10-02-2011, 11:47 AM
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I think the Steelers are gonna lose, but Polamalu is really really fun to watch
10-02-2011, 11:58 AM
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Sad truth is that Ford-Cooksey is just one example of how ALPA is hopeless as an organization. In their attempt to represent all pilots, this lawsuit's aftermath puts obstacles in the way of any local union trying to do what they think is best for them regarding scope.
Once that strategy was pursued (long before Moak), ALPA began it's own journey toward an ineffective and conflicted organization. Not even ole Carl could change that. A new union is absolutely required.
Carl
Once that strategy was pursued (long before Moak), ALPA began it's own journey toward an ineffective and conflicted organization. Not even ole Carl could change that. A new union is absolutely required.
Carl
10-02-2011, 11:59 AM
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10-02-2011, 12:02 PM
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That is the problem. It has been leaking because too many pilots have been spending their time resting on the work of past generations, not because if cannot get fixed. It may take more work that it would have taken a few years ago, but that is the cost of going to the Lake versus doing your part. I can also guarantee you that fixing the "leak" is a hell of a lot cheaper than tearing down the house, getting new permits, inspections, a builder you can trust, and rebuilding it. No one ever appreciates the cost and headache of new construction until after they have lived it. It is also true that once the last nail is put in and you get a OC, there is invariably something that is not perfect and makes you desire to build a new house again. It is plain moronic.
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10-02-2011, 12:12 PM
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I will keep it simple Carl. It has been tried before at FDX and look who they came back to?
Fighting this out in the middle of section 6 is just plain bad business for the DAL pilots. The only way you could get a mid negotiation vote is if they had a TA that sold scope that failed. Even then we would be looking at four to five years for an agreement.
Call it my opinion Carl, but independents pay more assessments than we do. Lets see what happens when AMR is pulled in to a merger or CH11. They will need lots o cash to deal with that, and they do not currently have it. How much as USAPA had to pay in donations or assessments for their fight against the SLI? Does SWAPA has the cash to fight something the company wants and they don't? It will happen.
Wrt to the Reps, they are the ones that determine our leadership. The current makeup of the MEC is fairly down the middle on most issues. A slight change in your favor would make the difference. That is not "false hope." That is the reality.
Fighting this out in the middle of section 6 is just plain bad business for the DAL pilots. The only way you could get a mid negotiation vote is if they had a TA that sold scope that failed. Even then we would be looking at four to five years for an agreement.
Call it my opinion Carl, but independents pay more assessments than we do. Lets see what happens when AMR is pulled in to a merger or CH11. They will need lots o cash to deal with that, and they do not currently have it. How much as USAPA had to pay in donations or assessments for their fight against the SLI? Does SWAPA has the cash to fight something the company wants and they don't? It will happen.
Wrt to the Reps, they are the ones that determine our leadership. The current makeup of the MEC is fairly down the middle on most issues. A slight change in your favor would make the difference. That is not "false hope." That is the reality.
10-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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If I was the on the board of that company (you the line pilot) I would not want to declare CH7 and start a new company, I would want to find a way to create value in the current one. I would demand that my CEO (LEC Reps) clean house, and if they did not they would be gone too.
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10-02-2011, 12:15 PM
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DPA will go away just like PPA did when a new contract is signed. POS 96 was not a winner of a contract either, but PPA died off.
What I want to see is every pilot that put a DPA card in show up at one just one LEC meeting in their base. Show a unified force. Right now that is not seen. When that is, you will be seen as a group that needs to be given due consideration. Until then, mailing a card does nothing. Last could DPA still needed 3000+ cards to force a vote.
10-02-2011, 12:18 PM
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Here's what you just don't get: ALPA is not family. ALPA is not on our board and we are not on theirs. ALPA is a VENDOR. Nothing more, nothing less. If they've failed in their vendor's role as bargaining agent, they should be fired just like any other vendor. Now if ALPA has to go CH7 after we fire them, they really should have thought of that before being such a poor performing vendor.
That piece also showed the tremendous structural defects in our vendor.
Carl
That piece also showed the tremendous structural defects in our vendor.
Carl
ALPA is more than a vendor. You could get away with that explanation if not one pilot for your airline, on your seniority list volunteered or worked for ALPA, but that is not the case.
Last time I checked, people who hire vendors do not work for them.
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