acl65pilot

Good sound bite, but the Ford-Cooksey settlement is meet and confer, nothing more. We can and will do what we want. You also know that.


Dude, it is simple math. You are a business man, and I am sure that you pay retainers et al, of services you may need. It is a lot cheaper to bundle those service or bring them in house where possible.


Lets look at the decision the TWA MEC made, and how the legal advice was crafted to meet that choice.

You had an airline on the verge of CH7 that was bought by AMR. Fact, and that reality came in to play. There are limits to everything. Is ALPA without fault? Not on your life. I too have issues with a lot of things, but the reality is that all of them can be fixed if people are willing. To date they are not. DPA will have issues, and one or two contracts down the road, people are going to want to give them the boot for the same reasons people are listing against ALPA today. DPA's response will be to get involved.

The root of all that is unjust and evil is apathy of the group.

Carl Spackler

Indeed. I particularly love the way the MEC has listened to the flight pay loss resolution approved by DTW.

Carl

acl65pilot

Typical response. Far from brainwashed. I just know it is not a structure issue within the CB&L.

If anything within the CB&L needs to be changed, it would be voting for our leaders, with recall of National Officers left to the BOD and the MEC Admin left to the MEC.

I also would like all issues of structure and policy left up to the BOD not the Executive Board. We could leave it there, but only if these voting officers were elected by popular vote.

I am willing to back up your resolution for that. You willing to submit it?

Carl Spackler

You're just mad because we DPA guys aren't walking into your obvious time wasting trap.

Time wasting trap. LEC resolutions are ignored by the permanent MEC bureaucracy. Recalling reps is meaningless.

Yes. Ignoring the will of the pilots and their reps is hard work.

Carl

acl65pilot

I disagree. It shows that none elected persons like the EA's yield too much power.

I also believe that this MEC is keeping the Admin honest. I the issue was forced upon the reps, they could change some people within the Admin. Realize that they are all focusing on Section 6.

tsquare

But wait a minute... don't our people elect THOSE people? (With little if any input from us I might add)

NuGuy

The recall of a rep is trivially easy.

I know a dozen fence sitters to are holding tight to see if the DPA can really deliver on anything. If the DPA wants to show it can be effective, what better way than rick-rolling a LEC or two?

Pull a rep or two, and I guarantee that the others will see the writing on the wall.

Nu

DAL 88 Driver

Legal definition of "meet and confer" n.

a requirement of courts that before certain types of motions and/or petitions will be heard by the judge, the lawyers (and sometimes their clients) must "meet and confer" to try to resolve the matter or at least determine the points of conflict. This has the beneficial effect of resolving many matters, reducing the time for arguments, and making the lawyers and clients face up to the realities of their positions. On the other hand, it also can be a total waste of time for the parties and their attorneys. The meet and confer rule is particularly common (and useful) in domestic relations disputes over temporary support, custody, visitation and such issues which are freighted with emotion.

Not if the service is inferior/ineffective and/or conflicted with your objectives.


I like the way you changed the subject from answering the assertion about TWA to pontificating about your opinion of DPA.

acl65pilot

Frankly Carl, the biggest power with regard to these resolutions, is how the makeup of the drafting committees is done, and how these resolutions are assigned to each committee. I suspect that a resolution could very easily pass or fail depending on the makeup of a given committee.

Carl Spackler

Sad truth is that Ford-Cooksey is just one example of how ALPA is hopeless as an organization. In their attempt to represent all pilots, this lawsuit's aftermath puts obstacles in the way of any local union trying to do what they think is best for them regarding scope.

Once that strategy was pursued (long before Moak), ALPA began it's own journey toward an ineffective and conflicted organization. Not even ole Carl could change that. A new union is absolutely required.

Carl