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Old 09-30-2011, 06:56 PM
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Wow, another 129 retirements for Oct 1 at AA.

Where have I seen this before?

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Old 09-30-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
#1. How can a 50/50 "balance" favor the DAL pilots? OR the other guys? And.. what is this "balance" of which you speak? Seats? Weight? Airplanes? Sorties? Number of pilots required to fly an airplane across the Atlantic?

#4. "etc" is a gray word that lawyers will shoot holes in like Swiss Cheese. What does etc mean? What about Inverse Assignments? Should those still be premium pay? IF so, then this proposal is a big fat no in my book, because it is not fair to require a senior guy to stay home and forego a GS when the junior guy answers his phone and gets dbl pay.
Both good points T. I'm not a lawyer and was trying to stay within my 750 characters on the first one. I do want to see lots of examples and clarifications so we don't have to later debate what the definition of "is" is.

etc was me being lazy and not thinking of every possibility. IA has been added to my list. My intent is that no one picks up anything (or is IA'd) if we have guys on the street. No one flying over ALV, etc. If we're constantly running out of reserve pilots and have guys on the street, then it's time to start recalling pilots.

I'm fine with going ALV+15 when there are no guys on the street, but that should be the max cap, including swaps, pots, trip parking, whatever. The goal should be to get our pay up so we don't have to be our own worst enemy. Stagnation sucks for everyone and the sooner we fix the contract so guys don't have to grab every hour they can, the better.
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Even I must admit. I would like to see this in DAL Colors.

Anyone know what a "CG Management System" is?



Somewhere in all those aadd-on and extensions is a little DC-9 wing hiding ;-)

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Old 09-30-2011, 06:58 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out what "button" he could have pushed that would cause a 130 degree roll?

Perhaps he inadvertantly put his hand on the rudder trim wheel for support, while reaching with his other hand for the door lock, and spun the trim wheel?

OR...maybe he stretched out one leg while reaching for the door lock, and had his foot on the rudder pedal, pushig it too far, too fast?
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Wow, another 129 retirements for Oct 1 at AA.

Where have I seen this before?

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When can "we" see this? I'm ready for some movement. Let's get some retiree medical improvements so guys will take it to the golf course.
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Even I must admit. I would like to see this in DAL Colors.

Anyone know what a "CG Management System" is?




I don't know about CG Management on this thing, but on the MD 11, there is a system that moves the fuel around, from the wings to the tail after take off during climb, to get the CG back to 32% at cruise, then it runs the fuel back to the wings for a 25% CG for landing. Unless they add a lot of plumbing, I don't see it happening on this "Upgraded" DC9.
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Old 10-01-2011, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I don't know about CG Management on this thing, but on the MD 11, there is a system that moves the fuel around, from the wings to the tail after take off during climb, to get the CG back to 32% at cruise, then it runs the fuel back to the wings for a 25% CG for landing. Unless they add a lot of plumbing, I don't see it happening on this "Upgraded" DC9.
Timbo, I bet you're pretty close to the truth...

The plumbing is there since the fuel has to go to the motors anyway.
I bet there's a little surge tank in the tail that get filled up for cruise...

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Old 10-01-2011, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
When can "we" see this? I'm ready for some movement. Let's get some retiree medical improvements so guys will take it to the golf course.
I'm sure you don't want to see retirements at Delta for the same reason those guys are pulling the chute at AA. It doesn't look good, they're burning almost 300K/month and have about 5.6B in the bank, do the math...

And the company is looking for concessions, does that ring a bell?

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Old 10-01-2011, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
I almost feel like I'm wasting my breath giving a detailed response to the SCOPE section of the survey. I hope I'm wrong, but it'll be interesting to see the collective will of the pilot group wrt SCOPE.

If the UCAL pilots are willing to push for tighter scope (ie no jets over 50 seats) then why aren't we?
This pilot group IS willing. Our union is NOT. Our union rules mandate that we endure a multi-step process of discussions with our regional competitors BEFORE we even give our opener on Section 1 to management. The end of that multi-step process even includes the ALPA president getting involved if our "discussions" with our regional competitors don't prove fruitful.

Belonging to this utterly conflicted union of ALPA is going to be very difficult to make any gains in scope. We will have to fight ALPA every bit as hard as management to even hold the current line on scope. I'm all for the fight, but it's definitely going to be a fight.

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Old 10-01-2011, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Actually, zero. Mid-Late 90's at the earliest and as recent as 2010. 100 more on the way! Step up to the Fluff. Dig it.
I know I tease, but I'd love to still have every fluff jet and 733 still on property. If this JT8 enhancement works, how bout we get those 732s back and slap in one of those new glass cockpits (you don't even have to rework the overhead) and make it the all new 732, 737, 738 and 739 category!!!!
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