Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-29-2011, 06:14 AM
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I'm guessing that if both/either sides decide to go public with the negotiations, then that could be a sign that negotiations aren't going well. Kinda like what ucal is going through.
Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process cooling off period, arbitration...etc, but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.
Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process cooling off period, arbitration...etc, but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.
09-29-2011, 06:25 AM
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I'm guessing that if both/either sides decide to go public with the negotiations, then that could be a sign that negotiations aren't going well. Kinda like what ucal is going through.
Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process (cooling off period, arbitration...etc), but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.
Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process (cooling off period, arbitration...etc), but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.
09-29-2011, 06:28 AM
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Off topic.....any word on the upcoming AE? When? Category movements?
09-29-2011, 06:32 AM
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Around the end of October/beginning of Nov once the 2012 block hours are finalized. I imagine the final slot swap ruling will also have an effect on possible new categories. New categories are anybody's guess. I'm not sure even the company knows until the day before they announce it.
09-29-2011, 06:34 AM
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I don't remember ever seeing any specific opener or any back and forth offers between the union and management. When there is a Tentative Agree ment (TA) the negotiating committees, it will be presented to the MEC for their vote and if they vote in favor there will be road shows to all the bases by the union to explain it. Then there will be a membership ratification vote. Probably closing about 2 months after a TA is reached.
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09-29-2011, 06:38 AM
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As you and others think, I think there should be some kind of con side paper or presentation.The DPA should make the correct presentation, and hold open meetings during section 6 negotiations, open to all.
There is over 25% of DALPA pilots that are part of DPA, and this group of pilots has yet to flex its muscle.
09-29-2011, 06:39 AM
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My guess is that most likely there would not ever be "retro pay" and instead it is converted to a "signing bonus". Similar to what happened with Alaska Airlines. The reason for this is if it was "retro pay" the company would have to go back and pay anyone who left (i.e retired).
09-29-2011, 06:41 AM
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They should flex it if they can prior to openers being exchanged if they are going to do it at all. They should want to force those in office to take their position, or recall them. The fact that this group has not tried one recall to date really shows me that they suffer from apathy too.
09-29-2011, 06:43 AM
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I'm guessing that if both/either sides decide to go public with the negotiations, then that could be a sign that negotiations aren't going well. Kinda like what ucal is going through.
Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process (cooling off period, arbitration...etc), but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.
Someone mentioned it a few pages back, but if management doesn't like our position could they really just say we'll meet again in 6 months?
I've heard passing a TA with retro pay rarely ever happens, especially when contract negotiations are dragged out, but how long could management drag out negotiations if they wanted to before their hand is forced?
If the MEC approves anything for a vote I believe that resets the clock and negotiations start back at square one, sound about right? I realize there is a process (cooling off period, arbitration...etc), but I just trying to figure out how long they could drag this thing out IF they wanted to.
Second paragraph: The amendable date is Dec. 31, 2012. Contractually, if there is not an agreement by Mar. 31, 2013, both parties have agreed to petition the NMB jointly to get involved. From there the NMB wields the hammer. Just depends on who they are trying to bring inline. At AA they have been hammering the APA by essentially parking the negotiations. The NMB wields way too much power IMO.
Third paragraph: If there was a TA that was rejected by the membership I would think there would be a quick survey of the pilot group to see what the problem was and then they would try to fix those issues rather than starting from square one. This is what should happen but, I believe it was back in 1996, there was the threat of the negotiating committee resigning as well as the MEC and then having to start from before square one if we didn't vote for it. (My recollection of this might be off but not far)
The bottom line is that IF BOTH SIDES want to get this done, it could be done well before the amendable date but we know that won't be the case.
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09-29-2011, 06:49 AM
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Off topic, but if you are miss a trip or numerous trips while using FMLA, do you get paid anything?
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