Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-28-2011, 04:58 PM
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on the subject here's a couple of points why I think it should be even pay for the NBs:
- First what are we basing pay on? Is it strictly mission such that the 777=744 pay even though the 744 seats 124 more people and they both do the long haul flying? If that's the case, why isn't DC9 pay equal 88 or E195/E190/CRJ900 pay equal 9/88 pay?
- After retrofits 100% of the MD88/MD90 fleet will seat more than the higher pay A319/A320 fleet.
- 738 and MD90 have equal seating but the 738 pays about 7% more or about $10K if you fly 75 hours a month. If the 738 pilot flies the 23% smaller 124 seat 700 they get equal pay. If the 90 qualified pilot flies the 7% smaller MD88 they take a pay cut.
- The average seating for the 88/90 fleet when you total all the 88s x 149 seats and all of the 90s x 160 seats is 152 passengers. A320 fleet comes in at 138 and 737 at 156. So 152, 156 and 138. All different pay rates.
- If rumors are true that we purchase every MD90 outside of the Saudi MD90s (which we evidently don't want) it's possible that the MD90 fleet will be larger than the 738 fleet.
- Ah but the 738 and 320 fly further and the 767 and 764 fly further than they do and so on! True, but don't forget on a typical, sigh, first or last day of an 88 trip you'll fly 745 passengers on a single duty day.
09-28-2011, 05:32 PM
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As far as relaxing any SCOPE provisions I am fine tuning the wording for my text box but it will read something like this:
Holding the SCOPE line is of paramount importance. If we concede 1 seat or 1 pound of the current SCOPE restrictions I will personally write a check to the DPA for $1000 and volunteer as a DPA recruitment Officer. Essentially I will dedicate myself 100% to bringing DPA on property.
I recommend all the so inclined APC Bubba's to include a similar type statement.
Scoop
Holding the SCOPE line is of paramount importance. If we concede 1 seat or 1 pound of the current SCOPE restrictions I will personally write a check to the DPA for $1000 and volunteer as a DPA recruitment Officer. Essentially I will dedicate myself 100% to bringing DPA on property.
I recommend all the so inclined APC Bubba's to include a similar type statement.
Scoop
What text box?
I have a similar sentiment.
How can I do a similar thing?
09-28-2011, 05:54 PM
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As far as relaxing any SCOPE provisions I am fine tuning the wording for my text box but it will read something like this:
Holding the SCOPE line is of paramount importance. If we concede 1 seat or 1 pound of the current SCOPE restrictions I will personally write a check to the DPA for $1000 and volunteer as a DPA recruitment Officer. Essentially I will dedicate myself 100% to bringing DPA on property.
I recommend all the so inclined APC Bubba's to include a similar type statement.
Scoop
Holding the SCOPE line is of paramount importance. If we concede 1 seat or 1 pound of the current SCOPE restrictions I will personally write a check to the DPA for $1000 and volunteer as a DPA recruitment Officer. Essentially I will dedicate myself 100% to bringing DPA on property.
I recommend all the so inclined APC Bubba's to include a similar type statement.
Scoop
09-28-2011, 06:01 PM
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Can we start an L&G office pool? Pick the date when "What are you willing to give up for that?" switches to "Are you willing to strike over that item?"
09-28-2011, 07:01 PM
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Arbitrator pulled and plugged 350 fNWA guys. NWA side wanted double that. In the first early out program after the SLI came out, 300 guys took it...every one a fNWA guy. The subsequent ones produced another 300 on top of that...nearly all fNWA guys. To date, almost double the amount of pull and plugs are off the combined seniority list.
Carl
Carl
Thanks, Carl.
09-28-2011, 07:25 PM
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I am relatively new here and have $?0,000 set aside for a strike fund. My wife wants to spend it!!! Thanks to guys like dal88 who bought all my beer I can afford to fight for higher pay. If we don't need to strike ill buy a couple kegs and some strippers.
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09-28-2011, 07:29 PM
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Arbitrator pulled and plugged 350 fNWA guys. NWA side wanted double that. In the first early out program after the SLI came out, 300 guys took it...every one a fNWA guy. The subsequent ones produced another 300 on top of that...nearly all fNWA guys. To date, almost double the amount of pull and plugs are off the combined seniority list.
Carl
Carl
It seems to me that the majority of the pull and plug guys are still here, and a large number of guys that took the early outs were fairly junior.
Also, a good friend of mine-- pre merger Delta-- left during the first early out program. He was one of many PMDL to do so.
I don't want to rehash the seniority debate, but I have to raise the BS flag on this post.
Last edited by CVG767A; 09-28-2011 at 07:46 PM.
09-28-2011, 07:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure there were only about 169ish that took the second early out package.
09-28-2011, 07:53 PM
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If we flip the numbers around and look at production here's what it looks like:
2010 Production
(for every dollar spent on pilot compensation, heres how many ASMs were produced)
DAL 93.2 $/ASM
SWA 70.6 $/ASM
That means SWA got 32% fewer ASMs from every dollar of pilot pay than Delta did in 2010.
System Total Revenue per ASM:
DAL 12.39¢/ASM
SWA 12.26¢/ASM
Or put another way:
Delta makes about the same money off each ASM as Southwest, yet Delta pilots are providing a 30% subsidy to Delta's pilot portion of CASM. thus enabling inefficiencies in cost in other departments.
Cheers
George
09-28-2011, 08:01 PM
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WN pilots have traditionally, up until their merger goes through, gone to training twice in a 30+ yr career. Once as a new hire and again to upgrade if they choose to do so. Recurrent training not withstanding, obviously.
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