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09-28-2011, 01:19 PM

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buzzpat

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Has anybody else stopped and wondered about the impact that social media might have on the contract process? I mean, this is the first major PWA negotiation in the world of social media. I think it might make a difference in consolidating contract expectations and rallying the troops to mutual consensus. I bet management is aware of that as well.

Just a thought. Also, any APC buds going to laying over in Minny this weekend? I have two long layovers there.

09-28-2011, 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

You know, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

Such as requesting the proverbial tar and feather of anyone who thinks this is cool:

[ ] Increasing the 255 jet limit with no additional restrictions

And to anyone who thinks its "not important at all" to do something about and RAH like operations on question 20.

So to answer your question Buzz, I think having social media will be a riot.

09-28-2011, 01:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

You know, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

Such as requesting the proverbial tar and feather of anyone who thinks this is cool:

[ ] Increasing the 255 jet limit with no additional restrictions

Man, we better not see that! I don't think guys are going to roll whatsoever. Even LAX guys seemed pretty fired up.

09-28-2011, 01:42 PM

#76704

Bill Lumberg

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

We have tried the huge opener at Delta. In the end we got a lower rate then could have been achieved with a more reasonable opener and lost half the 16 aircraft on order.
The problem with a huge opener is what do you do when the company says the following on 1 Apr.
Company:Thank you for your opener. We will get back to you with a response in June.
DALPA: June? That is not acceptable. Its almost 2 months away. We want to talk sooner.
Company: You must have misunderstood us. We meant June of 2014!
Goodbye.

There are two things in a contract negotiation that have to always be considered. What you want and what is achievable. The two are almost never the same. The majority of pilots are rational enough to understand that
concept. The rest will simply always be unhappy and looking for someone or something to blame.

Aim LOW Sailing, aim LOW! Ridiculous. Delta made over $900 million last year in bag fees alone. You don't have to aim so high that you hit the Moon, but you don't go in aiming lower to avoid conflict. Sounds a lot like some LEC people up North.

09-28-2011, 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

You don't have to aim so high that you hit the Moon, but you don't go in aiming lower to avoid conflict. Sounds a lot like some LEC people up North.

And in western Tennessee too.

09-28-2011, 02:24 PM

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finis72

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

BS. Our direct competitor SWA's contract (the WHOLE contract) would be very near C2K restoration for us DAL pilots. It's eminently defensible in front of the NMB if management starts stalling. Asking the NMB for self help when our position is SWA plus a modest amount would be granted by the NMB...if we had a union that would propose it...which we do not.

Carl

I really don't think our junior 2000 pilots would like that but $ to donuts the company would accept the SW contract in a heartbeat. Just think every DL pilot flying to the FAR maxes. Remember it's the whole cost of the contract the NMB is looking at not just the pay rates.

09-28-2011, 02:29 PM

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Actually, the impact of social media advancements will be interesting. This will be the first time we will have iPhones, twitter, and a lot of activity here at APC.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the DALPA forum shut down. DALPA won't be eager to make a trip to the judge to explain posts on the forum. Even the mildest post expressing any sort of frustration will be viewed as agitating for a change to the status quo.

Even more interesting will be the Company's reaction to our little party here at the Latest and Greatest. DPA's chatroom will also be subject to some intense scrutiny. I can see the Company coming after people left and right. They played hardball last time and I expect it won't be any different this time.

09-28-2011, 02:41 PM

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The SWA payrates are an easy rallying point, but as it has been pointed out, SWA contract would kills us. Just think about it, SWA (including AirTran) only has about 6-7000 pilots, and in the first 8 months of 2011 flew 91 million passengers all domestic. Delta flew 111 million.