Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-23-2011, 01:39 PM
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I'm usually a "glass half full kinda guy", but this is different. What's the over/under of guys who are actually going to take the time to complete the survey?
I say 3000 of our 12000 pilots take the survey.
(Disclaimer: After contract ratification 9000 will complain about it.)
Fly safe,
GJ
P.S. Again, hoping that all 12000 take the time to fill out the survey, but optimism has proven futile to the masses at times.
I say 3000 of our 12000 pilots take the survey.
(Disclaimer: After contract ratification 9000 will complain about it.)
Fly safe,
GJ
P.S. Again, hoping that all 12000 take the time to fill out the survey, but optimism has proven futile to the masses at times.
09-23-2011, 01:50 PM
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I don't, but with your attitude it seems as though you "just must".
Hey Mr. Informed, I have a question for you.
What is the pay a Delta pilot on FPL makes in a month? (and how is that number determined for a bonus point)
Let me know what you find out and where you found it.
Hey Mr. Informed, I have a question for you.
What is the pay a Delta pilot on FPL makes in a month? (and how is that number determined for a bonus point)
Let me know what you find out and where you found it.
09-23-2011, 01:58 PM
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I'm usually a "glass half full kinda guy", but this is different. What's the over/under of guys who are actually going to take the time to complete the survey?
I say 3000 of our 12000 pilots take the survey.
(Disclaimer: After contract ratification 9000 will complain about it.)
Fly safe,
GJ
P.S. Again, hoping that all 12000 take the time to fill out the survey, but optimism has proven futile to the masses at times.
I say 3000 of our 12000 pilots take the survey.
(Disclaimer: After contract ratification 9000 will complain about it.)
Fly safe,
GJ
P.S. Again, hoping that all 12000 take the time to fill out the survey, but optimism has proven futile to the masses at times.
09-23-2011, 01:59 PM
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Haven't gotten to the actual survey yet because I'm still shaking my head over this part of the email:
Note: Questions 28 and 29 concern pay rate increases and ask you to enter a number. You should answer each question with a two-digit number, e.g. express 5% as 05, 12% as 12, etc.
Don't you just love DALPA's template? The fact that they even talk about how to express a single digit pay rate increase is ridiculous enough. But what example do they use for a two digit pay rate increase?...12%! Not 50%, not 80%? What about how to input a three digit desire?
Note: Questions 28 and 29 concern pay rate increases and ask you to enter a number. You should answer each question with a two-digit number, e.g. express 5% as 05, 12% as 12, etc.
Don't you just love DALPA's template? The fact that they even talk about how to express a single digit pay rate increase is ridiculous enough. But what example do they use for a two digit pay rate increase?...12%! Not 50%, not 80%? What about how to input a three digit desire?
I don't see that it's a big deal to have the option of a single digit answer. There may be some (misguided) guys out there that want to enter a low number; they should understand how to do that.
There are (or will be) plenty of things to get spun up over during Section 6 negotiations; this isn't one of them.
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09-23-2011, 02:03 PM
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Carl, you must not think much of your fellow pilots. Do you really think any of us would be swayed by the sample number in the explanation? I'm thinking that 99.99% of us wouldn't be affected.
I don't see that it's a big deal to have the option of a single digit answer. There may be some (misguided) guys out there that want to enter a low number; they should understand how to do that.
There are (or will be) plenty of things to get spun up over during Section 6 negotiations; this isn't one of them.
CVG
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I don't see that it's a big deal to have the option of a single digit answer. There may be some (misguided) guys out there that want to enter a low number; they should understand how to do that.
There are (or will be) plenty of things to get spun up over during Section 6 negotiations; this isn't one of them.
CVG
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Anyone have a good picture of a straw man we can post?
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09-23-2011, 02:13 PM
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On the survey, question #13, under Scope, can someone explain to me what "Alter Ego" is? Thanks. Trying like hell to get this right.
09-23-2011, 02:25 PM
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09-23-2011, 02:29 PM
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09-23-2011, 02:39 PM
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Well that does seem to be the conventional wisdom on our MEC. But I don't agree. I think a strong case can be made for SWA W2 compensation at a minimum and C2K+COLA at a maximum. A sound, professional case needs to be made for this, not "demands." But it sure is a lot easier to come up with excuses why something difficult can't be done than it is to buckle down and determine to achieve it.
Sadly, Rather B Fishin's line of thinking is exactly what I think we're going to ultimately see from this MEC. They just can't come out and say it in so many words right now because they would have a revolt on their hands and would likely be replaced with DPA. If they wait until we're actually into Section 6, they know it will be infinitely more difficult to replace them.
Sadly, Rather B Fishin's line of thinking is exactly what I think we're going to ultimately see from this MEC. They just can't come out and say it in so many words right now because they would have a revolt on their hands and would likely be replaced with DPA. If they wait until we're actually into Section 6, they know it will be infinitely more difficult to replace them.
I think that the MEC will know what the MAJORITY of the pilots want based on a high completion rate on the survey.
A sound case will be made with the NC and the professional negotiators.
"Buckle down and achieve it".....Like UCAL, AA, LCC? Like SWA who has never set a bar for pilot compensation and has had a part in bringing the legacy packages DOWN over the last 25 years?
News flash.....It doesn't matter what you or I WANT!!!!
It only matters what the Company will say yes to, and if they won't say yes, then whatever it takes to convince a majority of the voting members of the NMB think is a legitimate offer and that we should be allowed decline a Proffer of Aribtration and start a 30-day cooling off period to press our case.
Nothing else will affect an outcome to our liking.
Changing the bargaining agent will not improve our ability to do the above. ALPA has a better track record of successfully arguing in front of the NMB than any other representational agency available.
Again, why would any REP benefit from not maximizing the value of a new PWA? They have to work and feed their families' under the agreement like anyone else!!!!!!
09-23-2011, 03:09 PM
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CW from who? Not my reps, not my reps from my previous base.
I think that the MEC will know what the MAJORITY of the pilots want based on a high completion rate on the survey.
A sound case will be made with the NC and the professional negotiators.
"Buckle down and achieve it".....Like UCAL, AA, LCC? Like SWA who has never set a bar for pilot compensation and has had a part in bringing the legacy packages DOWN over the last 25 years?
News flash.....It doesn't matter what you or I WANT!!!!
It only matters what the Company will say yes to, and if they won't say yes, then whatever it takes to convince a majority of the voting members of the NMB think is a legitimate offer and that we should be allowed decline a Proffer of Aribtration and start a 30-day cooling off period to press our case.
Nothing else will affect an outcome to our liking.
Changing the bargaining agent will not improve our ability to do the above. ALPA has a better track record of successfully arguing in front of the NMB than any other representational agency available.
Again, why would any REP benefit from not maximizing the value of a new PWA? They have to work and feed their families' under the agreement like anyone else!!!!!!
I think that the MEC will know what the MAJORITY of the pilots want based on a high completion rate on the survey.
A sound case will be made with the NC and the professional negotiators.
"Buckle down and achieve it".....Like UCAL, AA, LCC? Like SWA who has never set a bar for pilot compensation and has had a part in bringing the legacy packages DOWN over the last 25 years?
News flash.....It doesn't matter what you or I WANT!!!!
It only matters what the Company will say yes to, and if they won't say yes, then whatever it takes to convince a majority of the voting members of the NMB think is a legitimate offer and that we should be allowed decline a Proffer of Aribtration and start a 30-day cooling off period to press our case.
Nothing else will affect an outcome to our liking.
Changing the bargaining agent will not improve our ability to do the above. ALPA has a better track record of successfully arguing in front of the NMB than any other representational agency available.
Again, why would any REP benefit from not maximizing the value of a new PWA? They have to work and feed their families' under the agreement like anyone else!!!!!!
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