orvil

I fully understand what she's talking about. Just don't confuse trading with investing. Kim is talking about investing. Most of the recent conversation is about trading

If anyone has a lucky pair of trading underwear, socks or t-shirt, don't wash them. It's about time to put them on and get busy. I'm sure there is a good graphic to illustrate this.

Right now, sit on your hands. The best risk/reward will be to the upside. Just not yet, yet, yet. Kind of like landing the 72. We are all passengers for the last 50 feet.

TOGA LK

Bar, it's obvious Delta hires a specific personality profile, as evident by the focus on the psych aspect. The reality is, they want the best bang for the buck and someone that is malleable, willing to abandon long standing (80 years) career expectations and most importantly, someone who will never go against the grain and strike. The average former military officer I have worked with is substantially more versed in politics and the inner workings of large organizations than the average FO at the regional I worked for. The reality is, a former military officer is applying for a position as a professional and has expectations for compensation that is commensurate. The average RJ FO hired direct into a major is typically happy enough that he jumped ahead of his fellow peers (captains) and gets to wear a uniform that at one time, stood for a profession.

Before the flame, I will state that I flew in the reserves and at a regional, both part and full time. Having been at a major for four years, my experience leads me to believe the former Navy (except P3 girls), Marine (especially) and AF fighter types are leagues beyond the average pilots coming up through the RJ world. With the average RJ guy, the whole background is all too often, missing.

If Delta is targeting RJ FO's then that signals management is targeting pilots with lower expectations that meet "their" expectations based on a psych test. This is similar to when AA started hiring regional FO's without PIC time during the B-scale; again hire folks with lower expectations. F--k, several years ago I had one former RJ pilot, NWA DC-9 CA, tell me I needed to lower my expectations!! ***?

If I am wrong, then why such a large drop in applicants willing to depart the military full time for a full time Delta job without a Guard/Reserve job to back it up? Why do my LEC reps inform me that the junior pilots are expecting something in the neighborhood of a 15% raise when we are at least 250% behind when retirement, medical and inflation is considered. I

The reality is, the majority of US majors have turned into stepping stones for a few remaining airlines with earning potential.

Flame on...

acl65pilot

I can tell you that if your Reps are saying that, they are trying to play groups against each other. Not cool. I do not know one RJ pilot here that thinks that 15% is acceptable.

This RJ Pilot has a lot bigger expectations than 15%. Heck double it and I still am not convinced.

One thing is certain, we are all DAL pilots. It really does not matter where you came from, you are here. Time to row together to get what we want.

*If I hear a former regional guy stating 15%, I will will have a nice chat with him, and if you hear a Former Mil guy saying he will take a larger pay raise to sell some bit of scope, you have a talk with them. Deal?

TenYearsGone

IMHO, most regional guys want the HUGE pay-rates and great benefits. They have been hustling and busting b@lls trying to make it to the Majors, where they can finally live the "dream".

Minus Carl and like, I think the super senior and military guys with gov't pension and medical are OK with 15%, as long as their final years are not disturbed.

Remember, no one is to blame. A contract is:"legally enforceable agreement between two or more parties with mutual obligations". We, as a whole, agreed to our substandard pay and benefits.

It is the Unions job to promote UNITY, so that the next contract, WE CAN MUTUALLY agree to a KICK A$$ contract. As a Unified entity, we walk together, I dont blame others for our weak contract, because the majority agreed to it.

TEN

acl65pilot

Great post. Like I said, a Rep spewing that is trying to, whether unknowingly or not, divide the group.

Many are saying Unity is over used, but the reality is that true unity is not just desired but necessary for us to get what the majority of our guys want.

CVG767A

I'm pretty senior, and I'm definitely NOT okay with 15%. The guys I've spoken with who are in my seniority range are also expecting a heck of a lot more, too.

buzzpat

This military guy with a pension is NOT ok with 15%. I'm definitely expecting much, much more.

AHDRVR

Is anyone else having an issue logging into ICREW with their Android phone? It allows me to enter my employee number, but after inputing a couple characters in the password window, it automatically tries to log in before I can finish entering the complete password. I'm using the Dolphin browser.

It was working perfectly last week.

acs020

Acl, congrats on post #15,000

Nosmo King

In iCrew ONLY, using the Dolphin browser make sure you enter your password as ALL CAPS. If you use lower case it gets interpreted as conntrol characters.