Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-19-2011, 02:17 PM
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09-19-2011, 02:27 PM
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The funny thing about AMR- their retirement picture is very very similar to DAL's outlook. They reach retiring 50% of their current list in 2023 (age 65), and we reach 50% of ours in 2024.
09-19-2011, 02:28 PM
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Our advertising campaign will consist of hiring Will Ferrell to say: "Fly Spacklair Or **** you."
09-19-2011, 02:37 PM
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Are you pay protected when you are Manditorily Displaced to a lower paying aircraft?
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09-19-2011, 02:43 PM
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If not then I believe they are. I don't have my computer to look it up but there are plenty here with first hand experience. I know I wasn't from ATL 7ER to ATL 8& because I could have held NYC 7ER.
09-19-2011, 03:44 PM
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I believe that was only for 36 months from DCC which if memory serves was Oct 08 and you are correct, if you could hold the position in any other base you are not pay protected.
09-19-2011, 04:58 PM
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There is so much that goes into the hiring decision, a lot of it to me seems to be bases, pay and movement. I'd love to have been hired at an airline with bases in DEN, IAD, ORD, LAX, SFO, NYC, but I sure as heck didn't want to be hired at United these days. But when I was growing up it was all DAL, AMR and UAL.
FedEx is alluring because you can work that to live anywhere you want and do great.
What we need to remember is we as pilots, in the eyes of management, suck. We cost too much, the quality of the product we offer isn't that great as a pilot group and evidently not as a team. Otherwise why try to replace us so much?
To be honest, the airline I wanted, was Spacklair.
FedEx is alluring because you can work that to live anywhere you want and do great.
What we need to remember is we as pilots, in the eyes of management, suck. We cost too much, the quality of the product we offer isn't that great as a pilot group and evidently not as a team. Otherwise why try to replace us so much?
To be honest, the airline I wanted, was Spacklair.
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09-19-2011, 04:59 PM
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I think formerdal is right too. Not sure exactly when it expires, but I don't think the provision is valid for too much longer. It was put in to help soften the blow of post-merger base realignment and the resultant displacements (which have been minimal IMO)
09-19-2011, 05:04 PM
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Good question -I suppose the number would be constantly changing in response to changing market/labor conditions. But the point, which by the way, your above post also points out, is that DAL will have to improve compensation as demand for Pilots heats up if DAL wants to be the airline of choice for pilots.
I eagerly await the "Great Pilot shortage" that I have been hearing about for the last 30 years. I do believe that there may be a pilot shortage in the future - but not at the majors. The connection carriers are now too big and have too many fully qualified pilots for DAL ever to be short on applicants. We may very well not be guys and gals first choice but we will always have plenty of applicants. Any future Pilot shortage will fall disproportionately on connection carriers - especially ther FO position.
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I eagerly await the "Great Pilot shortage" that I have been hearing about for the last 30 years. I do believe that there may be a pilot shortage in the future - but not at the majors. The connection carriers are now too big and have too many fully qualified pilots for DAL ever to be short on applicants. We may very well not be guys and gals first choice but we will always have plenty of applicants. Any future Pilot shortage will fall disproportionately on connection carriers - especially ther FO position.
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09-19-2011, 05:20 PM
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I can't remember how long this was in place for, but you are pay protected between what you were MD'd from and the next highest seat you can hold - anywhere in the system. If you can't hold anything higher than what you are MD'd to, then you retain your previous payrate. Unless you're in a junior base it really isn't much of a player, because almost everyone in the company can hold something better in NYC or DTW.
I think formerdal is right too. Not sure exactly when it expires, but I don't think the provision is valid for too much longer. It was put in to help soften the blow of post-merger base realignment and the resultant displacements (which have been minimal IMO)
I think formerdal is right too. Not sure exactly when it expires, but I don't think the provision is valid for too much longer. It was put in to help soften the blow of post-merger base realignment and the resultant displacements (which have been minimal IMO)
To chime in on the other discussion... I've seriously thought about leaving DAL to go to SWA, AMR or FDX but neither has called so it made my decision easy. I do however keep my resume up to date... which is something (I'm sure) none of our Captains ever did. It's a different world and DAL isn't the top anymore.
What I find interesting is that most of the guys on active duty don't want to have anything to do with the airlines, even after 10 years of continuous deployments.
We've got a lot to fix and hopefully we make HUGE gains with this next contract. I'd hate to go back to my engineering job.
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