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Old 09-19-2011, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
True, but what I think most are trying to point out here is; We will have the retirements coming so furloughs are a straw man. What people are really concerned about is a merger that will cause the movement that should finally be coming result in the loss of a 767A seat or greater. How the list "may" be done will have severe ramifications on the one thread of hope pilots have been able to hold on to; career expectations.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the last hope being career expectations. With the departure of 150+ this year coupled with no hiring, not to mention hundreds retiring very soon and still no mention of hiring troubles me to say the least. I have even considered taking my 20+ remaining years to another company. I have never given that a thought up until now, even through an extended furlough. I really am coming to believe this company will continue to merge, shrink and outsource throughout all of our retirements, rendering the junior career expectations, just that expectations that never come to fruition. Granted some hiring will have to occur but just keep in mind that I have seen in the neighborhood of 3000-4000 pilots leave since I was hired and I am still beyond 80% on the list. Merge, shrink, outsource...repeat and so on....

I hope I am wrong but sadly I think I am right. One thing is for sure. If other good opportunities present themselves in the near future, I think you may see many depart who aren't even close to retirement. Even looking through my rose colored lenses, the optimism has faded.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
I think you hit the nail on the head with the last hope being career expectations. With the departure of 150+ this year coupled with no hiring, not to mention hundreds retiring very soon and still no mention of hiring troubles me to say the least. I have even considered taking my 20+ remaining years to another company. I have never given that a thought up until now, even through an extended furlough. I really am coming to believe this company will continue to merge, shrink and outsource throughout all of our retirements, rendering the junior career expectations, just that expectations that never come to fruition. Granted some hiring will have to occur but just keep in mind that I have seen in the neighborhood of 3000-4000 pilots leave since I was hired and I am still beyond 80% on the list. Merge, shrink, outsource...repeat and so on....

I hope I am wrong but sadly I think I am right. One thing is for sure. If other good opportunities present themselves in the near future, I think you may see many depart who aren't even close to retirement. Even looking through my rose colored lenses, the optimism has faded.
As we were joking of the 6000+ yard QB and the 16-0 Lions, you're spot on if the trend continues unabated.

You'll have a guy spend 30 years at Delta sitting 95% the whole way and displaced up the fleet as the bottom of the fleet was retired. But he'd probably not go all the way to the 777/744 area because those will come down to meet him probably around the 763.

Sarcastic I know. But if we drew the line out.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:10 AM
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You're spot on if the trend continues unabated.

You'll have a guy spend 30 years at Delta sitting 95% the whole way and displaced up the fleet as the bottom of the fleet was retired. But he'd probably not go all the way to the 777/744 area because those will come down to meet him probably around the 763.

Sarcastic I know. But if we drew the line out.
2012 Movie - Benny Hill Parody - YouTube

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This clip has everything, even the DPA threat at 1:10

All the guy is trying to do is fly the airplane, which he does at 2:30

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http://youtu.be/1_kwxzU4wL4
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:27 AM
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Happy Talk like a Pirate Day!!! ARRRRRHHHHH!!!!
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:32 AM
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Nissan commercial - YouTube

The Ferrari commercial was GREAT. I wish I could drive like that on the streets. Engine sounds were phenomenal.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:32 AM
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Another study which concludes "Skyteam" will replace Delta branding. This study is more small jet / domestic US in its focus.

http://www.aviationplanning.com/Imag...p2011Final.pdf
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:47 AM
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On a side note:

Was deadheading on a flight to MSP and the safety video had Richard Anderson welcoming the passengers. I never new Richard had such a Southern Accent. WOW his Southern Accent was huge. I never recalled this accent at NWA. Weird.

TEN
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Happy Talk like a Pirate Day!!! ARRRRRHHHHH!!!!
I tell kids I'm an airline pirate, arghhhhhhh.

Or I tell them you've got it all wrong kid, I'm not an airline co-pilot, I'm Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:26 AM
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Anyone know when the 1st PCS runs for Oct will occur?
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:29 AM
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Anyone know when the 1st PCS runs for Oct will occur?
Tomorrow. It's always the 20th.
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