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09-17-2011, 09:45 AM

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Why yes they are Nu.

Hey, did UsAir or AWA get some Airbus options from NWA in the past? In BOS a while back I saw a cactus 320 with a NXXXUS tail number........

09-17-2011, 09:58 AM

#75792

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Why yes they are Nu.

Hey, did UsAir or AWA get some Airbus options from NWA in the past? In BOS a while back I saw a cactus 320 with a NXXXUS tail number........

Heyas Johnso,

Someone once explained to me, but my TRS-80 cassette tape based brain has since run out of room...

I do remember the USAir birds with the "AU" tail numbers were part of a "good as gold" campaign.

Nu

09-17-2011, 11:16 AM

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Hey guys, just changed my password on Deltanet to access my work e-mail, now can't call scheduling. I remember a conversation about this recently, but can't remember the details on how to get around a letter being in the password. Any thoughts?
I have a blackberry, but am pretty technologically incompetent

Last edited by Wingnutdal; 09-17-2011 at 11:17 AM. Reason: Damn Blackberry's

09-17-2011, 11:48 AM

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You should be able to designate a 4 number password for your VRU sign on. Otherwise, you have to know what *# combo equals the letter in your password. The whole reason they let us change our VRU password to a 4 digit code was to avoid having to know those combos. My 4 digit password for the VRU is different then my deltanet/icrew password.

09-17-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

There are several good stills shots and movies that show what perhaps happened. It appears the trim tab came off the elevator. You can see it separate in one video and the aircraft pitches up instantly. This is a common problem in the P51 at high speeds and has happened before. It happened at Reno a few years back and the aircraft did a 9 g pitch up. The pilot in that case was able to recover the aircraft after it slowed and land.
In this case it appears the pitch up may have GLOC the 80 year old pilot. You can see in a close up still that he is slumped over out of sight in the cockpit just before impact.
The entire accident is very sad and perhaps had a better trim tab been mandated for 51's in air races it could have been avoided since its a known problem.

Good info Sailing. I saw the one video that showed the pitch up and roll an I saw the video where the long range camera looked down into the crowd after the accident and that was awful.

09-17-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Also, why was there no post-crash explosion and fire? Even with a small amount gasoline on board, there should have been.

Carl

I thought about that too, is it regular fuel or is it something else they run?

09-17-2011, 11:56 AM

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09-17-2011, 11:56 AM

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Thanks Johnso,
After talking to IT, you can designate a 4 number pin via Icrew or Ecrew under personnel. You were faster than IT!

09-17-2011, 12:00 PM

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Thanks Johnso,
After talking to IT, you can designate a 4 number pin via Icrew or Ecrew under personnel. You were faster than IT!

Glad I could help, and that you got it squared away quickly.

09-17-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I think your assessment is probably correct. What I don't understand is why the loss of just the trim tab would cause full deflection UP on the elevator which is what would have been required to produce 9 to 10 G's? Also, he didn't GLOC instantly because he radioed a mayday after he went vertical. Since GLOC produces nearly instantaneous unconsciousness, it seems to point to something else.

Carl

There is some question about the Mayday call. Some say he made one others say no call was made. The speeds they are flying the race at are faster then the 51 was designed to fly. They are almost full nose down trim at those speeds. If the tab comes off the nose up moment is huge at those speeds. The last time it happened in Reno I believe it was a 10 g pitchup. The pilot managed to get it under control and land after the pitchup.

Go here and scroll down for a pic of the missing tab and a pic that appears to show the pilot was not awake just before impact.

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...t=76701&page=5