NuGuy

Heyas,

This MEC will continue to move forward in LM's direction until some of his yesmen are removed. Only when some of them (or himself) start to suffer rejection at election time will he realize the gravity that the membership holds for scope.

If I were in ATL, I'd certainly run for LEC rep. As it stands, my reps in DTW go above and beyond in this regard, so there's not much point.

Nu

sailingfun

We have a MD-90 payrate already. There is nothing to give up and nothing to negotiate. 160 is planned for the New 90's with one of the galleys removed.

sailingfun

The MD-90 is certified to 172. MacD never requested or did a certification to raise that limit from the MD-80 which was also 172 dispite the MD90 stretch from the 80. They once offered a charter version that would have seated 190 however no one purchased it and they never bothered to certify the higher amount. Delta normally uses a 31 to 32 inch seat pitch. Those are the numbers you need to use to try and determine what they would prefer as far as aircraft seating. The newer 90's I understand are going to have a galley removed which is why they will seat more then the 90's on the property. Hot Meals are a dead issue on domestic these days.

sailingfun

They were always one category for flying and bidding however there were different pay rates for each aircraft. We had a different rate for the 757, 767-200, 767-300 and 767ER. In the 2001 contract the company offered the same across the board payrate for all aircraft in the fleet. Then they offered a additional raise to bring the entire 757 category to the same rate. ALPA did not like it however they would have been hammered by the membership if they turned the additional raises down. Its still unclear why the company did this since they have made no real move other then CVG to combine domestic and international flying. CVG was purely a short term fix to eliminate a bunch of training. I am sure they had a agenda that got lost in the bankruptcy.

RockyBoy

Maybe to have one category for the type? I think we'll see that here within a few years. I'll bet SLC and LAX are next on the list to get converted to an ER only base that does mostly domestic flying. The savings has to be huge to have one category instead of two for manning purposes. I'm sure they would love the 765 in that same category like CAL does as well.

sailingfun

You may be right however the company has never asked for one category. You would have thought that under the threat of a 1113 motion the company would have trotted that one out then. Delta is not like other airlines when it comes to the 757/767. We have so many of both that ATL and JFK are both at a size where getting even bigger does not add any cost savings to the company. That came straight from the VP of flight ops several years ago when he was asked why they are not combined. There are some big considerations from a standpoint of reserves and paid trip drops. A joint system can be manipulated to generate paid drops. Whitlow makes the reserve issue much harder. I don't think your going to see major changes. Rebasing will occur starting next spring in phases but I think on a smaller scale them most pilots believe.

alfaromeo

[quote=Carl Spackler;615937]You are a very creative guy there Carl. When you have no facts you make them up. Let's try some real facts. Lee Moak got you a pay raise, better work rules, better retirement, and stock in the company BEFORE he even represented you. By the way, he ran unopposed in the election, not one NWA pilot ran for chairman.

I want you to find me one guy that has worked for Lee that will say he snapped to attention when he walked into a room. Just one. And I want his name and I want him to post that fact on a public forum himself. Not I heard from a guy, or my uncle's second cousin told me. I want one real witness.

Most of the committee members working for Lee now have been doing tons of work starting in 1998 with contract negotiations and straight through one crisis after another. Why would these guys stick to this grinding schedule if they are just puppets for the great Lee Moak. Wouldn't there be some outcry, some mass protest of pilots who are sick of being pushed around by Lee?

Your entire point is just something you made up. You have never worked for Lee and you have never spoken with anyone who worked for Lee. We get that you don't like him, why don't you just say "I don't like Lee because....". Why do you make up stories that are laughable on the very surface. Really, Carl, do you know many pilots that have the personality to sit around like bumps on a log and be remote controlled by some tyrannical leader? If you are going to make something up, why don't you try something more believable like he is a space alien or he invented swine flu?

Oh, and by the way, this whole uproar over scope is about Republic code sharing with another carrier, Midwest. It is sort of funny how pilots accepted us code sharing with NWA in 5 or 6 years ago when they have 403 seat aircraft. Now Republic is code sharing with ANOTHER CARRIER for a 100 seat jet and the world will now end. I am trying to get this straight, Midwest can fly MD-80's, no problem, they can fly 717's, no problem, but code share with 100-seaters, the world is ending. This whole discussion can be ended if people really understand what is happening in this situation, instead of getting into high PRF mode and bouncing off the walls.

Justdoinmyjob

THe only problem with this view is that you are overlooking the fact that the regional carrier who will be operating 100 seat aircraft for that other carrier, also provides lift for us using 76 seat airplanes that are the same type certificate to the 100 seaters. It makes a very easy stretch for management to push for scope relaxation to allow them to do the same thing here.

Carl Spackler

As always Alfa, you've got it backwards. The only reason ANY of us had any leverage to gain anything during mid-contract was because DAL management wanted this merger. You know, the merger with NWA.

But you actually make my point with the above statement. Lee Moak shouldn't get anybody a pay raise, that's the job of the negotiating committee. Except in this union, that's apparently Lee's job also. Along with merger committee, and every other committee. Other people may hold the titles, but nothing happens without the "Dear Leader."

He was almost recalled a few years back by DAL pilots who thought he was acting like a dictator.

I've never said I didn't like Lee. I don't even know him. That is meaningless. What has meaning is that the democratic process of checks and balances is not occurring in our union right now. That's dangerous IMO.

I understand you're one of those "I got mine, so screw everyone else" kind of guys. That's clear. I'm just telling the bottom half of the DAL-S list that their new brothers agree with them. Not with you.

Carl

newKnow

If we're going to go on strike, can we do it now? The DC-9 is getting hotter and hotter and it's not even June yet.

Seriously, myself and others are a bit tired of people bringing up that someone else got us a raise....

...so, yes many of the Northern Brothers are ready to fight tooth and nail for scope and we're still...ahhh upset about the way things went down pre-bankrupcy. No offense to Compass, but those are our jets. We even paid for them.

New K Now (Remembering that NWA had DC-9-10's in 2001-75 seats and hoping DAL pilots see the writing on the wall.)