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No apologies necessary, scambo.

LOBO

Under, side, top and full on pancake on the last pic. I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight after that pic!!!

shiznit

You mean like this:

Herkflyr

Negative mi amigo. The contract sets a white slip pickup limit of ALV+15. Neither the swapboard nor Swap with the Pot are subject to the white slip pickup limits. In the case of swap with the pot, we have been able to swap a shorter trip for a longer one, all the way to FAR limits, since we have had the ALV system (think BK givebacks six years ago). Prior to the ALV system, when we had a "cap" then you also had a "max projection" that Swap with the Pot (and if we had it at the time--but we didn't--the Swapboard likely as well) was subject to.

Because using the swapboard to get a trip that takes you well above ALV+15 isn't legally a PWA conflict, no matter how dubious it looks on the surface. I personally don't like the trip parking concept. It violates the spirit of the contract I think most of us agree. It doesn't mean that it violates the lawyer-esque letter of it. The problem is that the union can't grieve what it or the members think or wish the contract says...only what it truly does. This is a troublesome gray area that needs to be clarified. But I'm not sure it warrants a grievance.

True, but max pickup was softened significantly with the ALV system, and the concept of max projection was abandoned entirely, allowing guys to swap with the pot up to FAR limits. Whether that is good or bad, it opened up the door to "trip parking."

I mostly agree, but don't agree with the statement that trip parking has been "endorsed." I think that it does need to be clearly addressed, one way or the other. Contact your rep to make your feelings known. Frankly, if we just implemented a rule stating "once swapped off a trip, you can't take it back" that would end this angst. I would also like to hear a guy who no longer can trip park try and justify how he needs to keep doing it.

Boomer

MoBetter.
You can tell it's not painted on by the "bridge" effect across the chasm.

Dirtdiver

My 2 cents on why I think trip parking IS illegal: The parker never truly lost possession of the trip, just found a way to make it temporarily disappear from his line.

Let's say you were suing person X. X calls me and asks to sign some assets over to me until this lawsuit clears up, then give them all back. If the scheme were discovered, wouldn't the judge consider those assets to always have belonged to X?

I don't think ALPA is endorsing it, but they've been told it's going on and they're ignoring it. I told them several years ago, and they told me to bring them proof. Problem is that we as individuals can't track most of the transactions involved. ALPA can, they just ignore it.

Bucking Bar

Can we move beyond calling an alleged "breach of contract" , "illegal" ?

No laws have been broken, no pilot has been convicted, nothing here is "illegal."

If this post annoys any fans of G.W., allow me this offering in peace. The poem in his honor, "Make the Pie Higher."

Dirtdiver

[QUOTE=Bucking Bar;1051047]Can we move beyond calling an alleged "breach of contract" , "illegal" ?

No laws have been broken, no pilot has been convicted, nothing here is "illegal."




Definition of ILLEGAL

: not according to or authorized by law : unlawful, illicit; also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

forgot to bid

It seems to me, and I won't put words in their mouth, but those who are big ALPA fans here seem to be against trip parking. My guess is so is DALPA but it's not in violation of the contract but rather one of those things that will be fixed in a LOA or MOU when the company needs something in return.

forgot to bid

Two can play this game:

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries."

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system."

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something."

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..."

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's."


"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."

^^^^^^

That said, I think there is something about being in the public that makes you gaffe prone. Nobody else is talking but you, so you need to fill dead air and you just keep talking because there is nothing worse than silence.

But Joe? He doesn't count. Not even the President thinks he gets a pass.