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the opener can and should reflect the contract surveys put out by the pilots. If it does not then you have a valid point. You might however be quite surprised if you were allowed to read those surveys. When alone and thinking pilots tend to put down what they feel is reasonable and achievable.
I'm sure there are others, and there are people who might have more specifics/details on the ones I've listed. Give D.A. (LEC66 ERA) a call if you want to know how useful and results oriented ALPA is in DC.
Exhibit A:
The Roth IRA rollover provisions written into law for pilots with terminated pensions.
Exhibit B:
The ability to have a major role in flight time/duty time rules (though not published yet, apparently ALPA did a good enough job that there are companies' desperately trying to undo it. Where was CAPA?)
Exhibit C:
S. 998: Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation Pilots Equitable Treatment Act112th Congress: 2011-2012
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A bill to amend title IV of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 to require the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, in the case of airline pilots who are required by regulation to retire at age 60, to compute the actuarial value of monthly benefits in the form of a life annuity commencing at age 60.
Exhibit D:
Aviation Jobs Outsourcing Prevention Act (H.R. 4788)
Efforts to move legislation to protect U.S. airline employees during international partnerships hit a significant milestone before Congress left Washington for its summer break. The legislation now has 90 bipartisan cosponsors. We continue to work with Congress to get this common-sense legislation enacted.
Exhibit E:
ALPA sponored legislation on lithium batteries in transport.
Exhibit A:
The Roth IRA rollover provisions written into law for pilots with terminated pensions.
Exhibit B:
The ability to have a major role in flight time/duty time rules (though not published yet, apparently ALPA did a good enough job that there are companies' desperately trying to undo it. Where was CAPA?)
Exhibit C:
S. 998: Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation Pilots Equitable Treatment Act112th Congress: 2011-2012
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A bill to amend title IV of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 to require the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, in the case of airline pilots who are required by regulation to retire at age 60, to compute the actuarial value of monthly benefits in the form of a life annuity commencing at age 60.
Exhibit D:
Aviation Jobs Outsourcing Prevention Act (H.R. 4788)
Efforts to move legislation to protect U.S. airline employees during international partnerships hit a significant milestone before Congress left Washington for its summer break. The legislation now has 90 bipartisan cosponsors. We continue to work with Congress to get this common-sense legislation enacted.
Exhibit E:
ALPA sponored legislation on lithium batteries in transport.
DPA claims to have over 3000 cards. How many of those are already expired? After one year the interest card cannot be used to solicit a vote. I know my card is close to timing out and I will not be renewing it so close to contract talks.
Here is the problem that hopefully DALPA has solved or is working on: How are we line pilots supposed to believe the true results of the contract survey? Yeah...I know...it will be an outside company tallying the results and deriving statistical data...(paid for by whom?) Sorry for being skeptical...but...I will go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe, just maybe... it could be just a minor CONFLICT OF INTEREST to have DALPA tell us what the majority of us want?
I think a better barometer is to see what the opener is... and see if the opener causes the DPA website to crash due to overwhelming requests to download and send off cards....or not!?? Either way...that will really determine whether pilots feel their survey results were well-represented or fixed.
With exception to the DALPA guys...and a few other "complete the mission types" (CTM types) I have not heard anyone say they are willing to accept anything less that SWA; day one for MD88! It is frustrating to read some of the threads on the DALPA forum that suggest we will have to trade the bottom 1500 of the seniority list for these kind of gains! Crazy...but even more scary; it is coming from DALPA guys and not the usual koolaid drinking CTM types!
I think a better barometer is to see what the opener is... and see if the opener causes the DPA website to crash due to overwhelming requests to download and send off cards....or not!?? Either way...that will really determine whether pilots feel their survey results were well-represented or fixed.
With exception to the DALPA guys...and a few other "complete the mission types" (CTM types) I have not heard anyone say they are willing to accept anything less that SWA; day one for MD88! It is frustrating to read some of the threads on the DALPA forum that suggest we will have to trade the bottom 1500 of the seniority list for these kind of gains! Crazy...but even more scary; it is coming from DALPA guys and not the usual koolaid drinking CTM types!
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You cannot force unity in my opinion. Unity is earned through respect and honest communications. If ALPA won't do it, DPA will.
If ALPA is upset because they think they will be negotiating with a gun at their heads, that's exactly how I want them to feel. Especially during the "meet and confer" sessions with the regionals that are doing the majority of OUR flying.
Carl
If ALPA is upset because they think they will be negotiating with a gun at their heads, that's exactly how I want them to feel. Especially during the "meet and confer" sessions with the regionals that are doing the majority of OUR flying.
Carl
Actually unity can be forced, and work. Our merger is a prime example of unity working. Unity isn't an emotion. Real unity is structural. All Delta flying performed by Delta pilots, represented by a single Bargaining Agent is structural unity. Southwest has this and has prospered with their employer as a result.
ALPA failed to unify Compass and has failed to unify approximately half of our flying under a single bargaining agent. I have not heard anything to suggest the DPA has the goal of doing anything differently than ALPA has.
I've written Tim Caplinger on this issue and he doesn't get it. He is welded to the emotional response to his furlough rather than logically understanding why it happened. If the DPA were capable (or willing) to abandon this silly, false, conflict of interest argument - then they might have a real shot at discovering the real power of unity.
P.S. I like Tim Caplinger. Still, he is mistaken & we just can't afford any representational errors.
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I should know this....
One of my dependents just traveled on ASA and listed S2 at the kiosk. This status was accepted, but the boading pass at the gate showed an S3C status........is this a special boarding pass priority with DCI ???
Newk would just use his Jedi mind, and the agents would SEE S2.........
Newk would just use his Jedi mind, and the agents would SEE S2.........
Exactly. The machine is in overdrive because they fear that they can not deliver. Lower the bar and then they can achieve and survive for another day of FPL, which of course is like having c2k pay for those that at that all you can eat buffet.
As was mentioned before, if you are more than 5 hours negative bank, this is probably the section that applies to you. It's under "Full Service Bank" in Section 12:
In each bid period:
21 a. a pilot may deposit into his bank account up to 20 hours of credit that is accumulated
22 in excess of 80 hours in such bid period.
23 b. the first five hours of credit a pilot accumulates in excess of 80 hours will be
24 automatically applied against a negative bank balance. Such repayment does not
25 constitute a deposit21 a. a pilot may deposit into his bank account up to 20 hours of credit that is accumulated
22 in excess of 80 hours in such bid period.
23 b. the first five hours of credit a pilot accumulates in excess of 80 hours will be
24 automatically applied against a negative bank balance. Such repayment does not
As far as turning around and withdrawing it, I don't think you will be able to do it. You can take a look at your time card, take a look at where it says "Bank Opt Limit 1." I believe this is what you can use the bank to fill up to every month. This month mine will only let me fill up to 77 hours based on an ALV of 72 hours.
Denny
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,038
One of my dependents just traveled on ASA and listed S2 at the kiosk. This status was accepted, but the boading pass at the gate showed an S3C status........is this a special boarding pass priority with DCI ???
Newk would just use his Jedi mind, and the agents would SEE S2.........
Newk would just use his Jedi mind, and the agents would SEE S2.........
Delta pays for the flight, but we get lower consideration than a pilot who flies for United's family.
So the best DALPA can negotiate is furlough 1500 pilots, park planes - assuming work rules don't change -, and start some of those shrink rj seats triggers, to give pilots SWA pay? At least according to the DALPA boards?
Question, this company can't take a $500M cost increase?
Is the purpose of lowering expectations so as to ensure The outcome looks better than it was? DALPA doesn't want, and nobody would, want to be painted in a corner by having to match SWA pay or be ousted. Rather, get rid of the threat of being replaced and get expectations down to furloughs and pay cuts so that a cola increase in pay with an 86 seat scope sale looks awesome.
But at the end of the day Delta pilots will be pointing to SWA and FedEx pilot pay. Those airlines count. UAL and Captain whats his name that said you're not worth anything are not the only airlines we will compare ourselves too.
Question, this company can't take a $500M cost increase?
Is the purpose of lowering expectations so as to ensure The outcome looks better than it was? DALPA doesn't want, and nobody would, want to be painted in a corner by having to match SWA pay or be ousted. Rather, get rid of the threat of being replaced and get expectations down to furloughs and pay cuts so that a cola increase in pay with an 86 seat scope sale looks awesome.
But at the end of the day Delta pilots will be pointing to SWA and FedEx pilot pay. Those airlines count. UAL and Captain whats his name that said you're not worth anything are not the only airlines we will compare ourselves too.
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