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Old 09-05-2011, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
I disagree on this. I do think that DPA will force DALPA to grow a pair for the upcoming contract. IF DALPA continues in their ways of the past then imo the pilots voices will be heard and DPA will carry the torch. The choice is DALPA's.
Yeah, sure. "Grow a pair.... just like APA"?
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Again, I respectfully disagree. We can all walk and chew gum at the same time. If ALPA is upset because they think they will be negotiating with a gun at their heads, that's exactly how I want them to feel.
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You've got their attention Carl. (and yes, by "you" I mean DPA). I think as a result of DPA success, DALPA is far more aware of the pilot group's deep apprehension about too much Moak-style constructive engagement leading to a management walkover in Contract 2012.

I just think that your "walking and chewing gum" metaphor understates the seriousness of a simultaneous decertification drive going on while the contract is open.
Perhaps a more appropriate analogy would be "fighting a two-front war".
I don't want DALPA to have to do that if we can avoid it.
Respectfully.

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Old 09-05-2011, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquared030
If DPA continues their quest I don't think they will carry the torch. However, even if they do, we will be well in 2015 or later before we see a new contract.

The right thing for them to do is to abandon their de-certification effort and join the other 8000-9000 pilots in showing a united face toward mgt. That is the fastest way to, "restoration".

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Wow!! Spot on post.

I don't know who you are, but you are one smart dude.

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Old 09-05-2011, 06:44 PM
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will hold on to this picture....
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Nice. I can't believe the union would put this in print. Except for the "don't blame ALPA, blame society".
What is it about the value of having influence in DC that you don't understand?
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
What is it about the value of having influence in DC that you don't understand?
Considering the letters I got back from my senators in regards to the FTDT stuff (yikes is all I have to say), not to mention Age 65.... I'm not sure how much influence that really is.

Anyone seen CrewPass?
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
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Pilot Commentary The Entitlement Mentality by Capt Joe Doniach (United)
Originally Posted by Flamer
Nice. I can't believe the union would put this in print. Except for the "don't blame ALPA, blame society".
That article from the UAL Captain who thinks a bit highly of himself is truly (withheld).

Reminds me of this:



You know what it reminded me of, reading an email written at 2am by someone who is very angry.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:08 PM
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One of my friends sent me this. I wonder if they are trying to tell me something?

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Old 09-05-2011, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
You've got their attention Carl. (and yes, by "you" I mean DPA). I think as a result of DPA success, DALPA is far more aware of the pilot group's deep apprehension about too much Moak-style constructive engagement leading to a management walkover in Contract 2012.

I just think that your "walking and chewing gum" metaphor understates the seriousness of a simultaneous decertification drive going on while the contract is open.
Perhaps a more appropriate analogy would be "fighting a two-front war".
I don't want DALPA to have to do that if we can avoid it.
Respectfully.
Here's why I don't think that analogy is appropriate: If ALPA would just fight the war they are supposed to fight (against management) there would be no opposition whatsoever. There would be no other front. As it stands now, DPA is blocking all the exits for DALPA and forcing them to fight. DALPA will either fight or lose representational rights. DALPA can either see it as a two-front war, or a sharply focused confrontation against one party. It's DALPA's choice.

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Old 09-05-2011, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
What is it about the value of having influence in DC that you don't understand?
Do you equate having a "seat at the table" with influence?

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