Originally Posted by tsquare

I *sniff sniff* am *(choking back the tears) leaving Sao Paulo tonight...

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Or try one.

This is at our layover hotel.

Originally Posted by gloopy

DL used to have one of (if not the) best reputations among customers for service and over all competency. Needless to say, that has faded significantly over the tenures you mentioned, right along with the executive frenzy of rampant outsourcing. NW was synonymous knowing how to run a global route structure and dominating the competition wherever it chose to do so.

Yet we pilots tend to be romantics in that we want to believe in that kind of airline(s) again. Maybe that's how we are wired. I think that is where a lot of "Delta pride" or "SWA koolaid" or whatever you want to call it comes from. "My airline can beat up your airline" is as emotionally fascinating to us now as the "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality as kids. We all know we benefit from pattern bargaining and that a rising tide raises all boats, but we all want to be on a winning team.

So there is some level of hope that RA, who is undoubtedly very smart in general and particularly in this industry, will be worth his exponentially ballistic airline executive compensation and restore the new Delta to its rightful place, if not its outright manifest destiny, of greatness and industry dominance.

And so we forge ahead with "constructive engagement" which in and of itself isn't a bad thing,...as long as we have internal checks and balances and ways to evaluate the progress of this methodology and more importantly, a non emotional "exit stratedgy" for the day its clear that it isn't working.

You could argue that we gave the company an extension of a bankruptcy emergency 9-11 crisis survival contract to facilitate a merger and build the new Delta or whatever. OK, fine. Water under the bridge, although Ron Allen's 7.5 water under the bridge caused a lot of erosion as well as Grinstein's "do it once and do it right" and Leo the CEO's sequential billion dollar blunders which were rewared with insanely inappropriate compensation packages. But we are very close to the next chapter so where do we go from here? Does management and/or the union really believe such an emergency crisis contract is now the new norm, only to be adjusted by cost of living adjustments painted as "raises"?

We want to believe in our company (and RA and his team in particular), and we want to believe in ourselves (ALPA or DPA, but right now its mostly ALPA either outrightly or by active indifference). But who will watch the watchers?

We are agressively outsourcing the bottom end of our flying by continuing to subsidize a fare trashing competitor (Republic air group) even recently by giving them additional planes. Forget for a moment the potential scope violation or the legal malpractice that went into crafting rediculous language in the first place that even makes this a gray area. Why is our beloved and esteemed company and RA in particular doing this?

We sell CPZ to the TSA air group, which is bad enough, but then we hire one of the worst cut throat predatory bargaining labor busting airlines in modern outsourcing history. TSA has 100 seaters on order and when asked who they intend on flying them for, they laugh and say they will get future scope relief from someone. Are we not supposed to connect these potential dots? Why is our beloved and esteemed company and the supremely talented RA so deserving of our followship in particular doing this? Are we actually trying to run a global airline, or is it just "merge shrink outsource, repeat"?

On the eve of openers and with the dawn of C12K's ammendable date soon upon us, we are starting to get hassled for sick calls. We got an awesome new commuter policy, which was almost immediately laced with threatening inuendo and borderline harassment for even daring to use it. RA supposedly "puts on his game face" whenever we hint at talking about money.

The Alaska code share is flat out being abused and we are adding every available international airline to our sky "team" as fast as we can mail them pens and agreements and unless we order 747-800's and/or 380's, both of which seem highly unlikely, it appears we will eventually be out of the 4 engine jet business...at least with our pilots at the controls.

And there seems to be a mentality among our representatives that we can't/won't get scope back, never mind not even being able to grasp the elementary differences between inflationary cost of living adjustments and a "raise over the life of" a contract.

Hope and faith for a better tomorrow is great. It really is. But "by their deeds you shall know them" and that goes for the company as well as the union. Its important that we continue to watch the watchers and call things as we see them.

A good start is when C12K is here, its vital that we understand that a 4 or 5 year contract is at least a 20-30% loss via cost of living. We must back that amount out of any and all claims of "a raise over the life of" nonsense.

Maybe RA is as awesome as some want to believe. But should we continue to trust any airline executive in advance? Or is it more reasonable to be cautious of all of their intentions until they prove otherwise by their actions?

Originally Posted by gloopy

DL used to have one of (if not the) best reputations among customers for service and over all competency. Needless to say, that has faded significantly over the tenures you mentioned, right along with the executive frenzy of rampant outsourcing. NW was synonymous knowing how to run a global route structure and dominating the competition wherever it chose to do so.

Yet we pilots tend to be romantics in that we want to believe in that kind of airline(s) again. Maybe that's how we are wired. I think that is where a lot of "Delta pride" or "SWA koolaid" or whatever you want to call it comes from. "My airline can beat up your airline" is as emotionally fascinating to us now as the "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality as kids. We all know we benefit from pattern bargaining and that a rising tide raises all boats, but we all want to be on a winning team.

So there is some level of hope that RA, who is undoubtedly very smart in general and particularly in this industry, will be worth his exponentially ballistic airline executive compensation and restore the new Delta to its rightful place, if not its outright manifest destiny, of greatness and industry dominance.

And so we forge ahead with "constructive engagement" which in and of itself isn't a bad thing,...as long as we have internal checks and balances and ways to evaluate the progress of this methodology and more importantly, a non emotional "exit stratedgy" for the day its clear that it isn't working.

You could argue that we gave the company an extension of a bankruptcy emergency 9-11 crisis survival contract to facilitate a merger and build the new Delta or whatever. OK, fine. Water under the bridge, although Ron Allen's 7.5 water under the bridge caused a lot of erosion as well as Grinstein's "do it once and do it right" and Leo the CEO's sequential billion dollar blunders which were rewared with insanely inappropriate compensation packages. But we are very close to the next chapter so where do we go from here? Does management and/or the union really believe such an emergency crisis contract is now the new norm, only to be adjusted by cost of living adjustments painted as "raises"?

We want to believe in our company (and RA and his team in particular), and we want to believe in ourselves (ALPA or DPA, but right now its mostly ALPA either outrightly or by active indifference). But who will watch the watchers?

We are agressively outsourcing the bottom end of our flying by continuing to subsidize a fare trashing competitor (Republic air group) even recently by giving them additional planes. Forget for a moment the potential scope violation or the legal malpractice that went into crafting rediculous language in the first place that even makes this a gray area. Why is our beloved and esteemed company and RA in particular doing this?

We sell CPZ to the TSA air group, which is bad enough, but then we hire one of the worst cut throat predatory bargaining labor busting airlines in modern outsourcing history. TSA has 100 seaters on order and when asked who they intend on flying them for, they laugh and say they will get future scope relief from someone. Are we not supposed to connect these potential dots? Why is our beloved and esteemed company and the supremely talented RA so deserving of our followship in particular doing this? Are we actually trying to run a global airline, or is it just "merge shrink outsource, repeat"?

On the eve of openers and with the dawn of C12K's ammendable date soon upon us, we are starting to get hassled for sick calls. We got an awesome new commuter policy, which was almost immediately laced with threatening inuendo and borderline harassment for even daring to use it. RA supposedly "puts on his game face" whenever we hint at talking about money.

The Alaska code share is flat out being abused and we are adding every available international airline to our sky "team" as fast as we can mail them pens and agreements and unless we order 747-800's and/or 380's, both of which seem highly unlikely, it appears we will eventually be out of the 4 engine jet business...at least with our pilots at the controls.

And there seems to be a mentality among our representatives that we can't/won't get scope back, never mind not even being able to grasp the elementary differences between inflationary cost of living adjustments and a "raise over the life of" a contract.

Hope and faith for a better tomorrow is great. It really is. But "by their deeds you shall know them" and that goes for the company as well as the union. Its important that we continue to watch the watchers and call things as we see them.

A good start is when C12K is here, its vital that we understand that a 4 or 5 year contract is at least a 20-30% loss via cost of living. We must back that amount out of any and all claims of "a raise over the life of" nonsense.

Maybe RA is as awesome as some want to believe. But should we continue to trust any airline executive in advance? Or is it more reasonable to be cautious of all of their intentions until they prove otherwise by their actions?

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

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Originally Posted by tsquare

I *sniff sniff* am *(choking back the tears) leaving Sao Paulo tonight...

Click here. But skip the first couple of pics.

Or try one.

This is at our layover hotel.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I think Gloopy and George make very informative and good posts.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Originally Posted by gloopy

...[good stuff here]...