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Old 08-25-2011, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
There isn't a formula anymore, just a negotiated rate. The rate is loosely based on potential productivty and efficiency of the airframe/category it is tied to.
Ok. Thanks slowplay.
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Remember, there's no money in cargo.....

Delta Cargo breaks record in Asia
August 24, 2011


The Delta Cargo team in Asia broke the load record for the Boeing 757 last weekend by carrying more than 21,000 pounds of fresh tuna.

The flight from Koror, Palau to Tokyo-Narita had 87 boxes full of fresh tuna, said Francis Lui, managing director-Delta Cargo, China and Asia.

“This record cargo load was a great success for our team and provided important revenue to Delta’s bottom line,” Francis said. “I want to say thank you to both Sales and Operations for making this shipment possible. We take great pride in the cooperation of our Sales and Operations teams, their abilities to efficiently fill the belly of the plane and make the most out of the available capacity.”

Delta Cargo is becoming known for setting records on passenger aircraft. On Christmas Day 2006, the group carried its largest shipment to date - 56,000 lbs. of asparagus from Lima, Peru to Atlanta. In 2005, Delta Cargo carried 20,000 lbs. of U.S. currency for the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank. The shipment of $225 million had to be unloaded by hand out of LD8 containers.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'm am somewhat amazed at the negativity we are seeing from a new aircraft order for mainline though.
Me too Johnso...I'm personally really excited about it. I happen to love flying the 73-800 and -700 and am looking forward to the 900.
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I'm am somewhat amazed at the negativity we are seeing from a new aircraft order for mainline though.
I am as well, as my intemperent rant demonstrated!
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Me too Johnso...I'm personally really excited about it. I happen to love flying the 73-800 and -700 and am looking forward to the 900.
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I am as well, as my intemperent rant demonstrated!
I suppose it could be part of the bigger malaise we're seeing in the country. From my perspective the 737 tells us we're settling for yesterday's technology stretched beyond its capabilities.

I liked flying the 737-800 and really liked the -700, but the 757 is a much better airplane from the front end. However, it's main limfac is the single aisle.

Now, if these are merely placeholders while we have some sly master plan to buy something else from Boeing, then I'll feel better.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Me too Johnso...I'm personally really excited about it. I happen to love flying the 73-800 and -700 and am looking forward to the 900.
Well I prefer new 320's. I like my tray table. But if I had to I'm sure I could build a comfy nest in the 737.


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I am as well, as my intemperent rant demonstrated!
Haha. Well I got your point. I really like how management was able to pick an aircraft that will be cash flow positive from Day 1. That's hard to not be happy about IMO. Hopefully there are more to come.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
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Your numbers (at least the direction) are probably right, but, Delta has done about everything possible to hurt Comair, following their strike. Pulling Comair's operations down resulted in very inefficient utilization of jets and crews. Sticking them with the old and unloved jets while trading away their new and more efficient jets made them more expensive. Using them as the Crack Spackle to fill in for Mesa killed their operational integrity and increased costs.

There is no doubt Delta is the worst regional airline management team in the history of the business.

Today we could buy AMR and their New York terminal for half of what we paid for Comair.

Comair's problems are not Comair's fault. They are division of Delta and Delta has spent around $18 billion (rough guess) feeding and expanding Comair's competition.

Maybe you can explain it to me, it does not make any sense unless this is some sort of vindictive thing that should be in the special victims unit of some Kentucky family law practice.

Imho they should have either expanded Comair and made it sexy to sell it, or taken it out back and shot it in the head. The "in between" has been painful to watch.
Bar, I agree with some of your points and disagree on others. The following is just my opinion, worth what you paid an anonymous webboard pseudonym for it...

CMR was purchased in October of 1999 not because Delta wanted CMR, but because Delta had lost BizEx to AMR. CMR was also making rumblings of pulling an Independence Air. CVG was completely dependent on CMR, and there was no DTW alternative at the time. It was a defensive purchase. While a premium was paid, if memory serves CMR had a lot of assets and a couple hundred million in cash that transferred directly to Delta. While some of those assets were lost in bankruptcy, as you point out many of them were redistributed. Why would management do that? Not out of spite, but because it made financial (in a bean counting sort of way) sense. The redistributed aircraft were operated at lower costs elsewhere. The asset was still productive to Delta, just not to CMR.

CMR's slow destruction is economic Darwinism. They got too senior and cost too much. Even though their employee payscales were in line with their peers, their longevity makes them 20% more expensive to operate the same aircraft. They got big during Delta's financial duress (2000-2004) and shrank hard during bk and after...it's hard to grow when the parent company is failing. FWIW, those 12 GoJet CRJ-700's are rumored to be CMR tails lost to lower cost SkyWest, Inc. during bankruptcy. Without growth their size and costs worked viciously against them. Now their segment of the industry is consolidating and radically changing; there's no dance partner interested in the CMR name.

jmo, and i'm probably wrong.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well I prefer new 320's. I like my tray table. But if I had to I'm sure I could build a comfy nest in the 737.
It may not be "comfy," but it will certainly be "cozy."
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Except there was no change for the MD-90-30ER, 777-200ER, or when the 757-200ER came on property.
What is a 757-200ER?
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well I prefer new 320's. I like my tray table. But if I had to I'm sure I could build a comfy nest in the 737.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. But, if you did figure out how to make the 737 comfortable for the Pilots your financial worries would be over. You could patent your "nest" and sell it for a lot of $$$$$$$.

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