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Old 08-17-2011, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
The most telling point of the whole Alaska piece was when they talk about the fierce loyalty Alaska high Value customers have for Alaska. Delta high value customers show no such loyalty - I wonder why?

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We suck. That's why they outsource.

We're the pilots of an airline that flies passengers but evidently in our core competency we pilots suck at what we do and they want someone else to do it whether it's having a near same size fleet of regionals on the low end, Alaska in middle or AF/KLM heavies on the top.

We're not very good. That's why we should temper our expectations and go with the flow on scope and be constructive engagers who are quiet team players who know their place is at the bottom of the totem poll.

We're simply a liability asset required by law.

You know who is really good at being airline pilots? FedEx and Southwest pilots. That's why they get so much money. But we're not in their league, that's why we're not comparable.

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Old 08-18-2011, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
We suck. That's why they outsource.

We're the pilots of an airline that flies passengers but evidently in our core competency we pilots suck at what we do and they want someone else to do it whether it's having a near same size fleet of regionals on the low end, Alaska in middle or AF/KLM heavies on the top.

We're not very good. That's why we should temper our expectations and go with the flow on scope and be constructive engagers who are quiet team players who know their place is at the bottom of the totem poll.

We're simply a liability asset required by law.

You know who is really good at being airline pilots? FedEx and Southwest pilots. That's why they get so much money. But we're not in their league, that's why we're not comparable.


All good points FTB;

We do suck. We suck so bad and we know it, thats why the union puts out the AK codeshare agreement paper, patting us on the head. "You're a good boy Delta pilot, you can't run fast, you're spastic, and you wear coke bottle glasses, but you are cute -- C'mere let me pat you on the head.

Kudos to the DAL pilots for accepting reality. Kudos will pay the bills. Remain calm all is well.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Parochial on my part? Sure. As I slide down the seniority ladder and see Jerry Garcia tails flying in and out of the places we used to fly frequently, it sucks. We COULD be doing that flying and we SHOULD be doing that flying. Let's get it back!
how long for a newbie to get LAX again?
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
All good points FTB;

We do suck. We suck so bad and we know it, thats why the union puts out the AK codeshare agreement paper, patting us on the head. "You're a good boy Delta pilot, you can't run fast, you're spastic, and you wear coke bottle glasses, but you are cute -- C'mere let me pat you on the head.

Kudos to the DAL pilots for accepting reality. Kudos will pay the bills. Remain calm all is well.
Ha ha ha ha.... Don't know if you meant it to be funny but the image you put in my head has me laughing pretty hard!
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:17 AM
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Looks like the current negotiating committee stayed intact. I want to thank my reps for listening to those they represent.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Looks like the current negotiating committee stayed intact. I want to thank my reps for listening to those they represent.
Based on the C20 update, there weren't any other pilots running than the ones already serving. All those perfectly good conspiracy theories - WASTED. Sometimes I wonder if we aren't our own worst enemies spinning ourselves up over nothing.

Although I do wonder what the DALPA forum rabble rousers are doing now that their pet conspiracy theory has been shot down.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon
Based on the C20 update, there weren't any other pilots running than the ones already serving. All those perfectly good conspiracy theories - WASTED. Sometimes I wonder if we aren't our own worst enemies spinning ourselves up over nothing.

Although I do wonder what the DALPA forum rabble rousers are doing now that their pet conspiracy theory has been shot down.
Or, with DPA cards increasing & ALPA walking on thin ice, DALPA decided to listen to their members.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
We suck. That's why they outsource.

We're the pilots of an airline that flies passengers but evidently in our core competency we pilots suck at what we do and they want someone else to do it whether it's having a near same size fleet of regionals on the low end, Alaska in middle or AF/KLM heavies on the top.

We're not very good. That's why we should temper our expectations and go with the flow on scope and be constructive engagers who are quiet team players who know their place is at the bottom of the totem poll.

We're simply a liability asset required by law.

You know who is really good at being airline pilots? FedEx and Southwest pilots. That's why they get so much money. But we're not in their league, that's why we're not comparable.

Excellent post.
Management sends out their little newsletters and updates and trim tabs telling us how wonderful we are and telling us we're doing a great job but its all just bull....
We are still working under the bankruptcy contract while they use their huge cash pile to go out and buy Mexican airline stock.
I wonder if the AeroMexico pilots have a pension?
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Or, with DPA cards increasing & ALPA walking on thin ice, DALPA decided to listen to their members.
...or the Delta MEC followed the policy manual they wrote two years ago. All the rest was just made up.
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
...or the Delta MEC followed the policy manual they wrote two years ago. All the rest was just made up.
All the rest of the manual was just made up?









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