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08-17-2011, 01:36 PM
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08-17-2011, 04:18 PM
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08-17-2011, 04:45 PM
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This is a totally losing proposition for the DAL Pilots. Well written piece, by a great guy but it does not change the fact that we are being hosed.
But according to the report the Alaska high Value customers are extremely loyal to Alaska. Yeah, no ****. How can we expect the DAL customers to show the same kind of loyalty when domestically there is a 50% chance our customers won't even fly on DAL. Burn these folks a few times with "connection service" and of course they are going to have zero loyalty to DAL.
Hell, it seems to me management would rather be a a travel agency or a "system" then an airline. I guess management is just admitting that if we competed head to head with Alaska we would lose. But I thought we were the premeir business airline in the world? Yeah, I forgot only on routes that we have zero competition.
But AS had guys on furlough - DAL Pilots are so much better off - didn't you see the growth numbers in the propaganda, errr, I mean the report. Yeah but the numbers that stand out are the 25 firm growth aircraft orders for Alaska - as we continue to park aircraft and get some replacement MD-90s. If we were growing proportionally to Alaska we would have almost 200 "growth" aircraft on order. Pretty depressing.
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But according to the report the Alaska high Value customers are extremely loyal to Alaska. Yeah, no ****. How can we expect the DAL customers to show the same kind of loyalty when domestically there is a 50% chance our customers won't even fly on DAL. Burn these folks a few times with "connection service" and of course they are going to have zero loyalty to DAL.
Hell, it seems to me management would rather be a a travel agency or a "system" then an airline. I guess management is just admitting that if we competed head to head with Alaska we would lose. But I thought we were the premeir business airline in the world? Yeah, I forgot only on routes that we have zero competition.
But AS had guys on furlough - DAL Pilots are so much better off - didn't you see the growth numbers in the propaganda, errr, I mean the report. Yeah but the numbers that stand out are the 25 firm growth aircraft orders for Alaska - as we continue to park aircraft and get some replacement MD-90s. If we were growing proportionally to Alaska we would have almost 200 "growth" aircraft on order. Pretty depressing.
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I'm not sure I was here when the hard sell came from ALPA on "Trust us, RJs will be good for Delta and thus they will be good for you." But, I bet it read A LOT like this codeshare analysis piece.
Hopefully everyone noticed how much farther this thing could go before coming anywhere near the allowed PWA limits. I remember seeing 5-30% seats where the contract allows 50%. We had better hope they don't get widebodies.
08-17-2011, 05:03 PM
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The other day I was flying EWR to SLC. We had three Diamond level Medallion frequent fliers sitting in first class that had ordered Kosher meals ahead of time. Our caterers delivered one. The F/C flight attendant called catering almost an hour prior to departure to get the missing meals. They brought three Kosher coach snacks. When called again they claimed they didn't have any first class Kosher meals.
The pax were connecting to TWF (Twin Falls, ID) on SkyPest.
Delta's response was to give them meal vouchers for SLC. So where is one supposed to find a Kosher meal in the SLC airport?
One of them was pi**ed. He told the flight attendant (very sharp,BTW) they flew this route more than once a month and the Kosher meals were frequently screwed up.
My impression is that as pilots we are held (by Delta) to a very high standard of performance but they tolerate almost anything from their suppliers... as long as they are the low bidder.
PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong (and provide examples).
08-17-2011, 06:02 PM
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I get that the over all AK code share feeds our network and I also get that it wouldn't work to instantly capacity dump an entire duplicate route system with our own planes. Some of the stuff they do is truly niche like flying that we would never do especially at the mainline. But the code share over all is flat out being abused. CBA compliant? Sure, unfortunately. But we should prioritize making appropriate changes in C12K that reigns in the abuse. Some of their flying we can clearly be doing ourselves. The code share we allowed provides too much leeway and its time to reign it in.
I wonder if we have to "meet and confer" with AK if we tighten up that code share too?
08-17-2011, 06:12 PM
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I get that the over all AK code share feeds our network and I also get that it wouldn't work to instantly capacity dump an entire duplicate route system with our own planes. Some of the stuff they do is truly niche like flying that we would never do especially at the mainline. But the code share over all is flat out being abused. CBA compliant? Sure, unfortunately. But we should prioritize making appropriate changes in C12K that reigns in the abuse. Some of their flying we can clearly be doing ourselves. The code share we allowed provides too much leeway and its time to reign it in.
I wonder if we have to "meet and confer" with AK if we tighten up that code share too?
I wonder if we have to "meet and confer" with AK if we tighten up that code share too?
"Some of their flying we can clearly be doing ourselves. The code share we allowed provides too much leeway and its time to reign it in"
And, in fact WE WERE DOING prior to the code share! That's what troubles me the most. I can see where the code share, overall, is a good thing for the company. BUT, we have definitely outsourced some of our west coast 73 flying and routes to AK.
Parochial on my part? Sure. As I slide down the seniority ladder and see Jerry Garcia tails flying in and out of the places we used to fly frequently, it sucks. We COULD be doing that flying and we SHOULD be doing that flying. Let's get it back!
08-17-2011, 06:25 PM
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08-17-2011, 07:18 PM
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Is there any way to pick up out-of-base open time for Sep? I just looked at another base and saw 7 trips for 29 Sep that are all better than what I have, and would love to somehow swap...
Just read the PWA and the TWG papers on PCS, Open Time, and swaps... I THINK the answer is "NO", can only white-slip out of base for same-day or next-day. But thought I'd check here if there was a way to pilot-swap-board it or something?
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Just read the PWA and the TWG papers on PCS, Open Time, and swaps... I THINK the answer is "NO", can only white-slip out of base for same-day or next-day. But thought I'd check here if there was a way to pilot-swap-board it or something?
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08-17-2011, 07:26 PM
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08-17-2011, 08:13 PM
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^^^^^ Agreed 100%. While I was reading this report, I had to keep scrolling to the top to remember whether it came from management or our union. It's management's job to take the leeway our PWA gives them and make a profit. It's our union's job to improve our pay, QOL, etc and prevent management from taking advantage of us. I don't need my union selling me on the profitability of something that keeps my QOL from improving.
I'm not sure I was here when the hard sell came from ALPA on "Trust us, RJs will be good for Delta and thus they will be good for you." But, I bet it read A LOT like this codeshare analysis piece.
Hopefully everyone noticed how much farther this thing could go before coming anywhere near the allowed PWA limits. I remember seeing 5-30% seats where the contract allows 50%. We had better hope they don't get widebodies.
I'm not sure I was here when the hard sell came from ALPA on "Trust us, RJs will be good for Delta and thus they will be good for you." But, I bet it read A LOT like this codeshare analysis piece.
Hopefully everyone noticed how much farther this thing could go before coming anywhere near the allowed PWA limits. I remember seeing 5-30% seats where the contract allows 50%. We had better hope they don't get widebodies.
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