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Old 08-03-2011, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
This is exactly the way guys should be thinking. The company can save face by saying they only gave us a 15% increase. Reasonable pay rate increase with large work rule improvements...still has the overall desired effect on our W2's.
Agree completely, BUT!!!: SWAPA's scope clause.

Then you get me.

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Old 08-03-2011, 02:33 PM
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FTB,
Do you always agree with juries?



Pathetic example of denial. Jury finds you guilty in no time flat. What do you do if you're an ALPA apologist?: Blame the jury.

Make sure you use that strategy during the appeal. That'll work great.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Agree completely, BUT!!!: SWAPA's scope clause.

Then you get me.

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Amen brother. Me too.

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Originally Posted by georgetg
Bingo!

Sooner than you might think....

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Before of after they pump up their relative list 25% with 15 minutes of hiring and then use that against us?
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Before of after they pump up their relative list 25% with 15 minutes of hiring and then use that against us?
IS HAL doing big hiring?
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Originally Posted by shiznit
You both could be right.......
that looks good, W2 is what matters!
I hope the Profit Sharing will turn out as well as listed...

I'm all for using the multiplier effect.
Other multipliers to consider:

- 6:15 Minimum-Daily-Pay and Credit. (Recurrent, Short call, training, DH)
- Vacation pay bumped to 6:15/day
- 7 personal days/year at 6:15 for drops, etc.
- Increase IRA contributions to 20% with a 1:1 match for the first 10% pilot contribution.
In lieu of "door pay" establish Non-Flight-Pay at 66% of Flight-pay rate. NFP is paid from show to release for every duty day "when the beacon/brakes aren't on."
- $4/hr per-diem domestic, $6/hr international.
- International override $10/$8/hr A/B
- $6/hr Night-Pay from 22:00 to 6:00

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Old 08-03-2011, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
I also had an A/A 767 captain on my jumpseat, about two weeks ago. He indicated that they were being told that they WOULD have a contract T/A by Labor Day. He'd been w/ A/A since 1985, and was not, it struck me, a B/S type. That rumor is coming from too many places simultaneously, to be 'just a rumor'.
this little bit of information might add to why AA Mgmt. needs to cut a deal:

Under American’s labor contracts...the carrier cannot add a new aircraft type, even a different variant, until a pay scale has been negotiated. From this perspective, American only has the authority for the 100 leased Boeing 737-800s it plans to add from 2013-17, while the remaining deals for both current model and new-engine-option Airbus narrowbodies — never mind the nonexistent re-engined 737 — must now go through the rigors of employee approval.
Big American Airlines order not so firm? | Boeing and Aerospace News - seattlepi.com


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Originally Posted by gloopy
Before of after they pump up their relative list 25% with 15 minutes of hiring and then use that against us?
After, they are small, but still.
Hawaiian is growing the fleet by 3 717s and has been adding A330s to the existing fleet. They now fly 717, 76ER and A330-200s.
The existing 717 fleet just was purchased outright 2 weeks ago.
Hawaiians market cap is 230M or about 1.5 new Boeing 777LRs.
FYI, Delta paid cash for the last two 777LRs last year ;-)

Starting in October, Hawaiian will add approximately 20 flights per day between Honolulu and its other airports in Hawaii. The company expects to hire an additional 40 to 50 pilots...to support the increased flight operations.
I think the total number is 65, that's about a 12% increase in the pilot group.
To get the same percentage increase, Delta would have to hire almost 1500 pilots... It's something like a 22:1 ratio...

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in the end....when i read the ta.......our w2 for our 737 pilots has to be greater than swa 737 pilots....or the vote is no. It doesn't matter how. Work rules or straight pay scale. If it is not higher than the vote is NO!
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Tepco Reports Second Deadly Radiation Reading at Fukushima Nuclear Plant

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A handout photograph shows a gamma camera image of an area around the main exhaust stuck of Unit 1 and 2 at Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s (Tepco) Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power station in Fukushima, Japan, on Monday, Aug. 1, 2011. On Aug. 1 in another area it recorded radiation of 10 sieverts per hour, enough to kill a person “within a few weeks” after a single exposure, according to the World Nuclear Association.



A handout photograph shows a gamma camera image of an area around the main exhaust stuck of Unit 1 and 2 at Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s (Tepco) Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power station in Fukushima, Japan, on Monday, Aug. 1, 2011. On Aug. 1 in another area it recorded radiation of 10 sieverts per hour, enough to kill a person “within a few weeks” after a single exposure, according to the World Nuclear Association. Source: Tokyo Electric Power Co. via Bloomberg



Tokyo Electric Power Co. reported its second deadly radiation reading in as many days at its wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant north of Tokyo.
The utility known as Tepco said yesterday it detected 5 sieverts of radiation per hour in the No. 1 reactor building. On Aug. 1 in another area it recorded radiation of 10 sieverts per hour, enough to kill a person “within a few weeks” after a single exposure, according to the World Nuclear Association.
Radiation has impeded attempts to replace cooling systems to bring three melted reactors and four damaged spent fuel ponds under control after a tsunami on March 11 crippled the plant. The latest reading was taken on the second floor of the No. 1 reactor building and will stop workers entering the area.
“It’s probably the first of many more to come,” said Michael Friedlander, who spent 13 years operating nuclear power plants in the U.S., including the Crystal River Station in Florida. “Although I am not surprised, it concerns me greatly; the issue is the worker safety.”
The 10 sieverts of radiation detected on Aug. 1 outside reactor buildings was the highest the Geiger counters used were capable of reading, indicating the level could have been higher, Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at the utility, said at a press conference.
Upper Limit

“Ten sieverts is the upper limit for many dosimeters and almost equal to the amount that killed workers at the JCO nuclear accident in 1999,” said Tomoko Murakami, a nuclear researcher at the Institute of Energy Economics, Japan.
In that accident, then the world’s worst since Chernobyl in 1986, more than 600 people were exposed to radiation after workers inadvertently started a nuclear chain reaction while processing nuclear fuel at a plant near Tokyo. Two employees of JCO Co., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sumitomo Metal Mining Co., died from radiation exposure.
Tepco was forced to pump water into the three Fukushima reactors after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami disabled cooling systems. The company in May estimated there would be 200,000 tons of radiated water in basements and other areas of the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant by December.
“If nuclear fuels melted through containment chambers, Tepco will find even higher radiation readings after water in building basements is removed,” said Tetsuo Ito, the head of the Atomic Energy Research Institute at Kinki University.
Radiation Leaks

Tepco has been criticized by the government for withholding radiation data and other missteps that have worsened the crisis. About 160,000 people have been evacuated from areas stretching 20 kilometers and more from the plant.
On May 27, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Tepco’s withholding radiation data was contributing to “public distrust.” The utility responded by saying it will publish in August the combined figures of radiation released into the atmosphere and in contaminated water. It hasn’t given a date for release of that information.
Radiation leaks from the Fukushima reactors have spread over 600 square kilometers, Tomio Kawata, a fellow at the Nuclear Waste Management Organization of Japan, said in a research report published on May 24 and given to the government.
Radioactive soil in pockets of areas outside the exclusion zone around the plant have reached the same level as in Chernobyl following a reactor explosion in the former Soviet Union, the report said.
Hot Spots

The threats to Japan’s food chain are also multiplying as radioactive cesium emissions from the Fukushima plant spread. Contaminated beef has been found on supermarket shelves around the country, forcing the government to ban cattle shipments from areas in northern Japan.
The latest high radiation readings are probably coming from materials released during early failed attempts to release pressure in containment vessels and vent hydrogen gas to prevent explosions that damaged reactor buildings, Matsumoto said. There were about 2,760 workers at the plant on Aug 1.
Tepco on April 17 set out a so-called road map to end the crisis by January, aiming to bring down radiation levels at the plant within three months and then achieve a so-called cold shutdown where reactor temperatures fall below 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit).
The utility needs to investigate other areas that may hold high radiation levels in line with the cold-shutdown and clean up, said Murakami at Energy Economics.
“Tepco workers and its subcontractors who know the Fukushima plant well may be the only ones that can discover such hot spots,” he said. “For people new to the plant it’s deadly.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Tsuyoshi Inajima in Tokyo at [email protected]; Kari Lundgren in London at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Peter Langan at [email protected]
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