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Old 08-03-2011, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Do you think the DOT would allow that without a major divestiture of NYC slots?

The benefit I see is an immediate solution to the 100 seater, and earlier slots in the 320 and 320neo lines.
I heard somewhere that JBLU is finding out the major checks on the 190 are double $$$ what they were originally told by ERJ and no one's happy with her.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
Taking pay now for being chumped later will come back and haunt these pilots if they vote yes.....

What is amazing to me is the number of guys that are promoting this exact thing. I wish them well.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Uh...I think you know that your logic is beyond suspect. The ATI pilots will be getting a $50K+ a year pay increase, if not more, from what I can tell. Even hinting that somehow compares to a "one cent" raise is like saying there is no difference between McDonald's and a kid's lemonade stand. After all they both make money selling food and drink, do they not? Disclaimer: I'm not equating the ATI pilots with the lemonade stand, just the silly $.01 analogy

As for the "airframe" argument: that would have merit if SWA got the planes without the pilots; with this acquisition they do get the planes, but planes that are already pre-staffed with pilots to go with them. No "windfall" there. The ATI pilots get a large pay increase just for doing the exact same thing they were doing before. SWA pilots don't.
YGTBKM. I'll take the second one first. By stapling the FOs on the bottom that is EXACTLY what they get.. unfettered access to airplanes that they did not have before. Windfall.

The first one. Gotcha. Kind of like that old joke. You go up to a woman and ask her if she would sleep with you for $1 million dollars, and she says.. "Uh, OK" Then you say to her "How about $50?" and she says "What do you think I am a prostitute?" The response from you at that point is "Why, yes, we have already established that and now all we are doing is negotiating the price." So if $0.01 is a silly analogy and is NOT a windfall, what dollar figure do you have in mind that would make it a windfall? Take your time.

Look, I really don't care how this all pans out, it doesn't affect me one way or the other except that I might wind up training the FOs that realize they won't upgrade in their natural lifetimes and come over to DAL to fly the ER, but I am amazed that once again it comes back to money with you guys. Truly a sad thing IMHO.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:24 AM
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What the hell was THAT?

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Old 08-03-2011, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Do you think the DOT would allow that without a major divestiture of NYC slots?

The benefit I see is an immediate solution to the 100 seater, and earlier slots in the 320 and 320neo lines.
No, I really don't. I can't see the DOT or DOJ signing off on it without some serious divesture of slots in NYC. It'd be a East Coast monopoly otherwise. That being said, I'm just a messenger.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
No, I really don't. I can't see the DOT or DOJ signing off on it without some serious divesture of slots in NYC. It'd be a East Coast monopoly otherwise. That being said, I'm just a messenger.
Messenger? hmmmmmmmm
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Messenger? hmmmmmmmm
Perhaps messenger was a poor choice. Let's just say I've heard the rumor multiple times. I'm just keeping it going.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What the hell was THAT?
Well that's no fun, what did T say?


BTW, I think I got a virus on my computer. Well I know I do. I blame searching for that perfect pic . I have no idea but it's some redirect virus so every time I do a google search and click on the link it takes me to yellow pages or something similar. I'm on my 5th anti-virus search for the thing and no good.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:41 AM
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Well that's no fun, what did T say?


BTW, I think I got a virus on my computer. Well I know I do. I blame searching for that perfect pic . I have no idea but it's some redirect virus so every time I do a google search and click on the link it takes me to yellow pages or something similar. I'm on my 5th anti-virus search for the thing and no good.
T quoted someone who felt like not playing nice this morning.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
No, I really don't. I can't see the DOT or DOJ signing off on it without some serious divesture of slots in NYC. It'd be a East Coast monopoly otherwise. That being said, I'm just a messenger.
Think I'll put my money on HI
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