RiddleEagle18

Do you think the DOT would allow that without a major divestiture of NYC slots?

The benefit I see is an immediate solution to the 100 seater, and earlier slots in the 320 and 320neo lines.

flyallnite

Haven't heard this, but looking at AMRs website there appears to be continuing negotiations. I think we really need them to get a deal done in order to increase our leverage. Take a look at their company spin on negotiations...

APA Negotiations

hockeypilot44

We need to face reality. US Airways, United/Continental, and American will not have contracts before us. The Airtran pilots will probably be making the same as Southwest. We need to lead the pattern bargaining effort. We need to sign a 3-4 year deal putting our MD-88's on par with Southwest, let everyone else up us, and then sign another industry leading contract. We need to stop hoping the other airlines get contracts. It's not going to happen.

FIIGMO

Taking pay now for being chumped later will come back and haunt these pilots if they vote yes.....

FIIGMO

American is going to give the pilots what they want then file Ch 11. Look at their books and with this big biz controlled government they will allow it to force upon American employees what they allowed to happen at all the legacies!

forgot to bid

Buying JB would be a dumb idea. You can't control the northeast much more than we already do. Buying JB would like you said end up costing us a enormous amount of slots that are then taken by SWA and others and we're left with a bunch of airplanes we could have had anyways and nowhere to fly them while other airlines expand in mass where we once were. It'd be the most insane move in recent airline history not to mention the insanity involved in JFK terminals.

The 100 seater "problem" wouldn't be solved since JB is already offloading E190s. We had a JB guy somewhere around here mention the E190 is not doing as well as it should. Which sucks, looks like a great airplane. And I don't think Airbus will say "hey, sorry, no room for you on the production line..." They won't because they can't afford to do that.

So really, it's just a horrible idea.

forgot to bid

Everybody got to go to Chapter 11 but them. They're at a disadvantage and they've been perturbed I'm sure for years over that. They probably haven't been negotiating with their pilots because their goal has been status quo until chapter 11 and then slice and dice from there.

If AMR goes Chapter 11, this government which is absolutely anti-business, will struggle with that mightily in an Presidential election year. They can't stop it so they'll assist it in whatever way possible to make it quick and keep it under the rug.

forgot to bid

I can agree with that wholeheartedly.

tsquare

OK.. so if SWA makes $0.01 more than ATI, the ATI guys would be getting a windfall, right? I just want to be sure where you are coming from.

With that logic, SWA has X airplanes. SInce ATI will be bringing Y airplanes, the SWA FO side of the list will be getting an airframe windfall since they did not have those airframes available before the merger. How do you reconcile that?

And no, not related to Trump, but I live within my means so money is not as big an issue as it is with some.

Herkflyr

Uh...I think you know that your logic is beyond suspect. The ATI pilots will be getting a $50K+ a year pay increase, if not more, from what I can tell. Even hinting that somehow compares to a "one cent" raise is like saying there is no difference between McDonald's and a kid's lemonade stand. After all they both make money selling food and drink, do they not? Disclaimer: I'm not equating the ATI pilots with the lemonade stand, just the silly $.01 analogy

As for the "airframe" argument: that would have merit if SWA got the planes without the pilots; with this acquisition they do get the planes, but planes that are already pre-staffed with pilots to go with them. No "windfall" there. The ATI pilots get a large pay increase just for doing the exact same thing they were doing before. SWA pilots don't.