Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-02-2011, 07:10 PM
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Not a pay windfall? I agree the terms of the SLI from SWAPA are suspect at best, but I have a feeling most of the Airtran pilots will vote for it, primarily because they will be winning the lottery monetarily. The 717 will pay more than our 764 and A330. You don't think that is a windfall? Are you related to Trump?
08-02-2011, 07:14 PM
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Well, all she wanted was $20,000 (to cover her long hospital stay and surgeries) but McDonald's refused. It has nothing to do with being stupid, it was an accident and McDonald's at the time had hundreds of complaints of people burning themselves because their coffee was too hot. They immediately lowered the temperature of their coffee after this case hit the news. Yes our society might be a bit over litigious but if you make a product and it hurts someone it is not hard to convince a jury that the maker of said product carries some liability. The McDonald's case was legitimate, it was not just some money hungry lady looking for a hand out and this idea that tort reform will make society a better and more efficient entity is just not true. Tort reform takes away your rights as an individual of this country and mandated caps take away the power of juries to award fair decisions. If these TWA pilots are awarded their true damages and then a judge comes in and slashes it by 75% it will be a travesty.
08-02-2011, 07:21 PM
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Agreed 100% but the turd in this punch bowl is within Sec 6 neg. rules.
"good faith" is a slippery slope, and the the NMB have "parked" regional pilots recently trying to grab an extra crumb off the floor. We can't ask for the moon any more than the company can ask for our hourly rates be minimum wage.
what is "good faith"? That is a moving, ill defined target. Only the NMB will determine who is getting out of line based upon many factors that economically and politically are years out.
The NMB historically could give a rats ass what we had in C2k. They have a short term memory and tend to be myopic even during the present. Ask for too much in their eyes and they will park negotiations 6 month faster than the speed of heat.
This being said we still should demand and open for every cent that brings us to that edge and carry this fine line throughout the sec 6 process.
"good faith" is a slippery slope, and the the NMB have "parked" regional pilots recently trying to grab an extra crumb off the floor. We can't ask for the moon any more than the company can ask for our hourly rates be minimum wage.
what is "good faith"? That is a moving, ill defined target. Only the NMB will determine who is getting out of line based upon many factors that economically and politically are years out.
The NMB historically could give a rats ass what we had in C2k. They have a short term memory and tend to be myopic even during the present. Ask for too much in their eyes and they will park negotiations 6 month faster than the speed of heat.
This being said we still should demand and open for every cent that brings us to that edge and carry this fine line throughout the sec 6 process.
08-02-2011, 07:45 PM
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Want to bet your life on it?
OK. I'll be realistic. How about your 401K?
Not very many in ALPA presently will agree to bail ALPA out of this mess if there is an assessment to cover what insurance won't/can't pick up.
Game over in that scenario.
08-02-2011, 08:08 PM
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Well, all she wanted was $20,000 (to cover her long hospital stay and surgeries) but McDonald's refused. It has nothing to do with being stupid, it was an accident and McDonald's at the time had hundreds of complaints of people burning themselves because their coffee was too hot. They immediately lowered the temperature of their coffee after this case hit the news. Yes our society might be a bit over litigious but if you make a product and it hurts someone it is not hard to convince a jury that the maker of said product carries some liability. The McDonald's case was legitimate, it was not just some money hungry lady looking for a hand out and this idea that tort reform will make society a better and more efficient entity is just not true. Tort reform takes away your rights as an individual of this country and mandated caps take away the power of juries to award fair decisions. If these TWA pilots are awarded their true damages and then a judge comes in and slashes it by 75% it will be a travesty.
But when I took a business law class and we went over this case, it made sense why she won and won so much. It really isn't what people think.
Obviously, that's 1 case. Back in the day when a pilot runs out of gas in his twenty year old twin cessna and instead of gliding down he manages to spin it into the ground and his family sues and wins millions from Cessna, yeah, total %@#%@!#%#%.
I think Trial Lawyers are by and large disgusting. But this TWA case, pilots are owed money and if it costs $1.4 billion then it costs $1.4 billion. More power to them.
08-02-2011, 08:18 PM
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Again I've got to ask- DALPA does not want us to make less than SWA/AirTran pilots for equal work, right?
As to the cost argument. My power bill is what it is no matter what my revenue is. If we're going down this road then I want Delta pilots pay to be based off a % of last years revenue. Not profit. Revenue.
As to the cost argument. My power bill is what it is no matter what my revenue is. If we're going down this road then I want Delta pilots pay to be based off a % of last years revenue. Not profit. Revenue.
08-02-2011, 08:28 PM
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The lower Dalpa can aim, the more likely they will attain it, and maybe stay in office longer? "See, I got you what WE WERE ASKING FOR....."
08-02-2011, 08:39 PM
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Ok. I'm back......
08-02-2011, 08:51 PM
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Notice how their coffee cups are now?
08-02-2011, 08:53 PM
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APA is currently doing roadshows that are telling their pilots about current status of negotiations. They are telling their pilots to plan on a TA by fall with rates similar to FedEx.
Guess we will see....
If this pans out for APA... DPA will probably get alot more cards this fall!
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