Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-02-2011, 02:41 PM
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I guess I'd cancel out one of those guys if we flew together. I want to come to work, fly my butt off for 3 days, and go home. Do that 12 days a month and I can drink my cheap beer at home.
Something for everybody I guess, but my 1.5 hr butt likes to be productive, which means no 3 hour sits or 32 hr layovers in the usual maddog garden spots.
Something for everybody I guess, but my 1.5 hr butt likes to be productive, which means no 3 hour sits or 32 hr layovers in the usual maddog garden spots.
08-02-2011, 02:54 PM
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And add one more facet to this. Regardless of what the company or DALPA says, we do compare to them on the revenue side.
Nearly $1 billion, that is $1,000,000,000, in baggage fees alone last year were booked. Couple that with the under the floor cargo initiative and the revenue from that and you start to get the picture.
There is a reason we have payload optimization now.
Everything that goes through a cargo door has a receipt accounting for it somewhere.
Nearly $1 billion, that is $1,000,000,000, in baggage fees alone last year were booked. Couple that with the under the floor cargo initiative and the revenue from that and you start to get the picture.
There is a reason we have payload optimization now.
Everything that goes through a cargo door has a receipt accounting for it somewhere.
Just goes to subtly (subconsciously?) show the trust most pilots have for our current union administrators.
08-02-2011, 02:57 PM
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Nope, some LEC members apparently think we don't deserve that, or just can't make it happen. It's too much work for them, to REPRESENT us. Frustrated to say the least! Can't wait for the survey, followed by the opener.
08-02-2011, 03:00 PM
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And add one more facet to this. Regardless of what the company or DALPA says, we do compare to them on the revenue side.
Nearly $1 billion, that is $1,000,000,000, in baggage fees alone last year were booked. Couple that with the under the floor cargo initiative and the revenue from that and you start to get the picture.
There is a reason we have payload optimization now.
Everything that goes through a cargo door has a receipt accounting for it somewhere.
Nearly $1 billion, that is $1,000,000,000, in baggage fees alone last year were booked. Couple that with the under the floor cargo initiative and the revenue from that and you start to get the picture.
There is a reason we have payload optimization now.
Everything that goes through a cargo door has a receipt accounting for it somewhere.
Don't bring that up to some LEC members, they will shake their heads and say "we just can't use that, it is being used to pay off debt, and we should be compared to USAir and American, not SWA and Fedex." Next they will ask "what would the other employees think?" Frustrated to say the least! Where is that survey? 15% my arse!
08-02-2011, 03:20 PM
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If we merge, say with AS or HI,
I don't believe JB is in the works. At least from the eye test, I just don't see how that does anything worthwhile compared to AS or Hawaii. East coast you can own if you want to, west coast we have nothing even after the last merger.
But I want snap backs preloaded. If mainline plus AS, for example, ASMs or fleet count or headcount drops then DCI 76 and 70 seats are slashed all the way down to 0.
No more merge, shrink, merge...
And big payraise. Thinking 45% on hourly rates.
I don't believe JB is in the works. At least from the eye test, I just don't see how that does anything worthwhile compared to AS or Hawaii. East coast you can own if you want to, west coast we have nothing even after the last merger.
But I want snap backs preloaded. If mainline plus AS, for example, ASMs or fleet count or headcount drops then DCI 76 and 70 seats are slashed all the way down to 0.
No more merge, shrink, merge...
And big payraise. Thinking 45% on hourly rates.
08-02-2011, 03:34 PM
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I think you are wrong. I hope you are wrong. I will say if you are right expectations will have been managed and my SWA buddies will just have to keep laughing at my pay. Notice how no one ever said much about the contract comparison? Carefully crafted to provide no real data and definitely not show we have significant disadvantages in compensation across the board.
My question, these pilots seem to have little expectation. Is there any pro ALPA pilots here who want less than what equal pay for equal work with Southwest pilots? Are there any pro ALPA pilots who want 88/9 pay below SWA 717 pay? Any willing to talk about what they think is fair to demand?
08-02-2011, 03:46 PM
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I hope I'm wrong. Just going off the last 5 trips. Keeping a tally. I see an enormous misunderstanding of just how much SWA pays. SWA is max pay with max days off. If you want long layovers to drink beer, it's called Stugart, bid it.
My question, these pilots seem to have little expectation. Is there any pro ALPA pilots here who want less than what equal pay for equal work with Southwest pilots? Are there any pro ALPA pilots who want 88/9 pay below SWA 717 pay? Any willing to talk about what they think is fair to demand?
My question, these pilots seem to have little expectation. Is there any pro ALPA pilots here who want less than what equal pay for equal work with Southwest pilots? Are there any pro ALPA pilots who want 88/9 pay below SWA 717 pay? Any willing to talk about what they think is fair to demand?
Guys I fly with want SWA pay, but realize it may be tough to get the same schedules because SWA doesn't always fly through one hub. We seem to do FLA turns from ATL, and then up to ORD or BUF. SWA and now Airtran pilots will start in one hub, and then fly across the country with 5 stops to the next hub. Not the same model. But, we have premium passengers, who connect in hubs to fly to international cities, all with high fees.
If the SWA 717 rates are the same as their 737 rates, which in reality equal our 777 or 744 rates, I think we should be able to get a big raise at least. No 15% over 3 years crud. Educate your Captains, and remind them that SWA's 737 rates are equal to our large widebody rates, (even though they all average 105 trips per month or 105 hours with credit), and we have 32 or so 744s and 777s, while SWA alone (not counting Airtran's planes) has over 500 737s. How many more of their pilots make a lot more than our Widebody pilots? It's just amazing, and sad. Tell your LEC reps HECK NO.
08-02-2011, 03:51 PM
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I hope I'm wrong. Just going off the last 5 trips. Keeping a tally. I see an enormous misunderstanding of just how much SWA pays. SWA is max pay with max days off. If you want long layovers to drink beer, it's called Stugart, bid it.
My question, these pilots seem to have little expectation. Is there any pro ALPA pilots here who want less than what equal pay for equal work with Southwest pilots? Are there any pro ALPA pilots who want 88/9 pay below SWA 717 pay? Any willing to talk about what they think is fair to demand?
My question, these pilots seem to have little expectation. Is there any pro ALPA pilots here who want less than what equal pay for equal work with Southwest pilots? Are there any pro ALPA pilots who want 88/9 pay below SWA 717 pay? Any willing to talk about what they think is fair to demand?
Well, I'm not a pro alpa pilot, but I am a pilot.
Scope: Scope recapture, sunsets all in writing and firm. No open ended AK codeshare, quids in place for mainline growth. All int'l codeshare brings at least a 1 for 1 equivalent seat miles to DAL.
Pay: swa plus for the smallest jet in our fleet graduated upward. 415c limit in 401k's for every pilot making $125k plus, greenslips pay double, GSWC pays trip drop plus double trip flown. All flying over ALV pays 1.5. Specific holidays (Christmas, Tgiving, supebowl, etc.) pay double. 6.25 hrs per duty day.
Reserve: 5 hrs credit for each s/c. 6 s/c max per rolling 30 day period, reserves flying receive trip/duty rig guarantees, 24 off in seven at home (not base) not hotel. s/c fully biddable.
Vacation: identical to fedex.
I've mixed sections a little, but it was to put related things where they share a theme.
08-02-2011, 03:55 PM
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Well, I'm not a pro alpa pilot, but I am a pilot.
Scope: Scope recapture, sunsets all in writing and firm, no open ended AK codeshare, quids in place for mainline growth, all int'l codeshare brings at least a 1 for 1 equivalent seat miles to DAL.
Pay: swa plus for the smallest jet in our fleet graduated upward. 415c limit in 401k's for every pilot making $125k plus, greenslips pay double, GSWC pays trip drop plus double trip flown. 6.25 hrs per duty day.
Reserve: 5 hrs credit for each s/c. 6 s/c max per rolling 30 day period, reserves flying receive trip/duty rig guarantees, 24 off in seven at home (not base) not hotel. s/c fully biddable.
Vacation: identical to fedex.
I've mixed sections a little, but it was to put related things where they share a theme.
Scope: Scope recapture, sunsets all in writing and firm, no open ended AK codeshare, quids in place for mainline growth, all int'l codeshare brings at least a 1 for 1 equivalent seat miles to DAL.
Pay: swa plus for the smallest jet in our fleet graduated upward. 415c limit in 401k's for every pilot making $125k plus, greenslips pay double, GSWC pays trip drop plus double trip flown. 6.25 hrs per duty day.
Reserve: 5 hrs credit for each s/c. 6 s/c max per rolling 30 day period, reserves flying receive trip/duty rig guarantees, 24 off in seven at home (not base) not hotel. s/c fully biddable.
Vacation: identical to fedex.
I've mixed sections a little, but it was to put related things where they share a theme.
I agree with you whole heartedly, but have you asked your Reps what they think? I think you will be dissapointed to say the least. Most of the reps I talk to shake their heads. Bring up the almost $1 billion in bag fees last year, and they deflect it to say we need to pay down debt. You must keep writing your reps and tell them what you expect, and then tell your Captains and other FOs, and fill out that darn survey. As long as they don't dismiss it like the overwhelming votes against age 65, I think we will have a pretty good opener, as long as they follow the wishes of the masses.
08-02-2011, 04:07 PM
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I just flew with a captain who looked at the contract comparison and replied, "it looks like we're doing pretty good compared to the rest of the industry." He told me he expects less than a 5% raise per year.
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