forgot to bid

Just to confirm, regardless of the fact AirTran is relatively new to ALPA, ALPA will be giving them 100% support, right?

I mean Herndon is not going to pick winners and losers, it will stand on principle and not headcounts, right? I say headcounts as in just because AirTran will be SWAPA they will still get max effort?

Because this is albatross was hung around ALPAs neck and here's a chance redeem oneself:

tsquare

I don't think he can come up with a plan any more than you or I can. I think his point is that ALPA is pretty helpless here and can do little other than to observe and advise. That causes a lot of frustration in GenPop. Many expect ALPA to effect change, and more importantly to PROTECT it's membership and when all we really see is "observing and advising" it is hard to quantify and justify why we are a member of said organization. When the collusion that even you note renders that same organization impotent, I think he is well within his rights to question our involvement in the organization. Standing by, observing and hand wringing by the association is not an acceptable answer alfa, though I have no idea what the answer is..

Pineapple Guy

I think alfa's point was, unlike DALPA, where this can't happen because we've been an ALPA member long enough that those same ALPA lawyers you like to complain about have written sufficiently strong scope language to prevent this, that is not the case at AirTran. And there's perhaps not much they can do if their current contract isn't being abrogated by this SLI methodology.

Kinda like blaming the reliever brought into the game in the 9th inning for the loss, when the score was already 7-0 going into the 9th.

tsquare

So if this goes down the way it is looking like, what would be the incentive for anybody else to join ALPA? If you have to be a plankholder to garner the protections that the genius lawyers can get for you, why pony up the dues and put up with the bull**** when you can write a check and use ALPA as a consultation (like APA is currently doing)? If I am... say UPS.. (not that they would join, but for example...) and I see ATI get burned while ALPA fiddles, why would I join? The reverse of this is true. If a smaller carrier within ALPA watches ATI get burned.. why should they hang around when they might be able to find better representation elsewhere? This is thin ice for Herndon IMHO, and they'd best not blow it.

Boomer

Are you referring to Comair or ASA?

NuGuy

Heyas,

My bet on the AAI/SWA SLI: Passes both sides.

On the AAI side:
CAs get to keep their seats, and the top half of them get to keep their QoL if they stay in ATL.

Bottom FOs were facing a 10 year upgrade anyway, so now they get 747/777 FO Pay to assuage their grief.

Angry top of the FO list. They don't matter. Tyranny of the majority. They are left to suck it.

Passes 70/30.

On the SWA side:

CAs don't care. Nothing here affects them in the slightest. Company men. Young guys get a %12 kicker in seniority. A few angry ATL commuters, but not enough to bother with. Easy win.

Angry FOs get unfettered upgrades for 10 years. Get pay override whenever they fly with a junior Tranny captain. The only thing really hurt here is their pride that they didn't staple the Trannies, otherwise they get a big win.

Passes 85/15.

Nu

Pineapple Guy

I think that's an excellent summation.

shiznit

Only for another year or two......

I am confident that DAL/UCAL (FDX does already) exceeds them in the next contract cycle.

AT guys! Don't sell your seniority for a short-term pay gap!!!!!


Nu, your assessment overall is very well written.
(I'm just highlighting this part though)

TANSTAAFL

No, that would most likely be a straight staple.

TenYearsGone

Then they become like Frontier Air Lines...Bought by a "commuter".

TEN