Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-31-2011, 04:58 PM
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That is my understanding as well. Therefore, I have a couple of comments and then a rant.
Comment #1: Pineapple Guy, you owe the DPMA $100.
Comment #2: ALPA threw Airtran under the bus.
Rant: Airtran entered this sli with (argueably) quite or extremely strong merger/ fragmentation language, written by "the greatest aviation lawyers" known to mankind. ALPA (undoubtedly) threw their finest negotiators at the SLI problem on Air Tran's behalf (including experienced Delta pilot negotiators on FPL). The largest Airline pilot union in the world, where its president has to get an oil portrait painted, took on a union with none of ALPA's (significant) resources..."who have never set the bar for the rest of the industry", and the Air Tran pilots were presented with an absolute screwjob of an SLI...because "it was the best we could do?"
You have go to be absolutely $h1tting me ALPA...pathetic in the extreme.
Apologists, if the ends do or dont justify the means, you cannot spin this to me positively.
Waaah, their management was going to get involved.
Waaah, ALPA just lost a DNR lawsuit.
Waaah, We were outnumbered four to one.
Waaah, We thought it was best to leave it up to the (grossly outnumbered) pilots to vote on.
ALPA threw Air Tran under the bus. PERIOD! rant over.
Comment #1: Pineapple Guy, you owe the DPMA $100.
Comment #2: ALPA threw Airtran under the bus.
Rant: Airtran entered this sli with (argueably) quite or extremely strong merger/ fragmentation language, written by "the greatest aviation lawyers" known to mankind. ALPA (undoubtedly) threw their finest negotiators at the SLI problem on Air Tran's behalf (including experienced Delta pilot negotiators on FPL). The largest Airline pilot union in the world, where its president has to get an oil portrait painted, took on a union with none of ALPA's (significant) resources..."who have never set the bar for the rest of the industry", and the Air Tran pilots were presented with an absolute screwjob of an SLI...because "it was the best we could do?"
You have go to be absolutely $h1tting me ALPA...pathetic in the extreme.
Apologists, if the ends do or dont justify the means, you cannot spin this to me positively.
Waaah, their management was going to get involved.
Waaah, ALPA just lost a DNR lawsuit.
Waaah, We were outnumbered four to one.
Waaah, We thought it was best to leave it up to the (grossly outnumbered) pilots to vote on.
ALPA threw Air Tran under the bus. PERIOD! rant over.
07-31-2011, 05:06 PM
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07-31-2011, 05:08 PM
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That is my understanding as well. Therefore, I have a couple of comments and then a rant.
Comment #1: Pineapple Guy, you owe the DPMA $100.
Comment #2: ALPA threw Airtran under the bus.
Rant: Airtran entered this sli with (argueably) quite or extremely strong merger/ fragmentation language, written by "the greatest aviation lawyers" known to mankind. ALPA (undoubtedly) threw their finest negotiators at the SLI problem on Air Tran's behalf (including experienced Delta pilot negotiators on FPL). The largest Airline pilot union in the world, where its president has to get an oil portrait painted, took on a union with none of ALPA's (significant) resources..."who have never set the bar for the rest of the industry", and the Air Tran pilots were presented with an absolute screwjob of an SLI...because "it was the best we could do?"
You have go to be absolutely $h1tting me ALPA...pathetic in the extreme.
Apologists, if the ends do or dont justify the means, you cannot spin this to me positively.
Waaah, their management was going to get involved.
Waaah, ALPA just lost a DNR lawsuit.
Waaah, We were outnumbered four to one.
Waaah, We thought it was best to leave it up to the (grossly outnumbered) pilots to vote on.
ALPA threw Air Tran under the bus. PERIOD! rant over.
Comment #1: Pineapple Guy, you owe the DPMA $100.
Comment #2: ALPA threw Airtran under the bus.
Rant: Airtran entered this sli with (argueably) quite or extremely strong merger/ fragmentation language, written by "the greatest aviation lawyers" known to mankind. ALPA (undoubtedly) threw their finest negotiators at the SLI problem on Air Tran's behalf (including experienced Delta pilot negotiators on FPL). The largest Airline pilot union in the world, where its president has to get an oil portrait painted, took on a union with none of ALPA's (significant) resources..."who have never set the bar for the rest of the industry", and the Air Tran pilots were presented with an absolute screwjob of an SLI...because "it was the best we could do?"
You have go to be absolutely $h1tting me ALPA...pathetic in the extreme.
Apologists, if the ends do or dont justify the means, you cannot spin this to me positively.
Waaah, their management was going to get involved.
Waaah, ALPA just lost a DNR lawsuit.
Waaah, We were outnumbered four to one.
Waaah, We thought it was best to leave it up to the (grossly outnumbered) pilots to vote on.
ALPA threw Air Tran under the bus. PERIOD! rant over.
As it is, you are standing on the outside, with your preconceived version of what was fair, and this integration didn't achieve it. Frankly, it didn't for me either. But you and I are both on the outside, we don't get a vote nor even input.
So, to say ALPA National through them under the bus --- nope. Absent evidence, I think it is YOU that owes the $100.
07-31-2011, 05:09 PM
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07-31-2011, 05:09 PM
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07-31-2011, 05:14 PM
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07-31-2011, 05:18 PM
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SWAPA has G Kelly writing theirs, no surprise that they have it. I am sure ATI is looking for some sort of face saving surrender language. I wish them luck, hard to win when the deck is stacked.
07-31-2011, 05:18 PM
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07-31-2011, 05:19 PM
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Until DAL gets its house in order from a customer service prospective which so far management has been a failure at I would not expect great things. If Cal management can bring their customer service to UAL things might get ugly. On the other hand from talking to a couple of Airtran guys ATL is going to be really difficult for SW after management jumped into the SLI list and is using the gun to the head method to force ratification. The SW culture wont exist there for a very long time even if the list is ratified.
Because I think a turf war will inevitably require we clean up customer service and maybe start putting more money into the front line folks and that's good for us.
Otherwise without the trash talking SWA will bring, we will have status quo on our end.
For instance, how nice would it be if SWA handles IROPS in ATL better than we do and that becomes known? Then hopefully we will begin to make meaningful changes to our IROPS. That kind of stuff.
And if it's all a ruse on SWA's part, that's icing on the cake.
07-31-2011, 05:20 PM
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1. If the MEC even allows that travesty to go to a vote. (a good pay raise in exchange for throwing their pilot group's seniority under a monster truck)
2. If the MEC does allow it to go for a vote, whether or not they "promote" it.
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