Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-14-2009, 07:13 AM
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The reserves for the 777 are somewhat skewed because boeing has not been able to keep the delivery schedule. DAL had training scheduled and pilots in the pipeline only for the deliverys to be delayed. Those reserve numbers should start to come down in the next month or two.
05-14-2009, 07:35 AM
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The reserves for the 777 are somewhat skewed because boeing has not been able to keep the delivery schedule. DAL had training scheduled and pilots in the pipeline only for the deliverys to be delayed. Those reserve numbers should start to come down in the next month or two.
05-14-2009, 07:35 AM
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Hey Alfa,
You are correct that the study derived it statistics from Form 41. And I understand that the numbers may not be 100% accurate. However looking at multiple years they give a good indication of the numbers.
As for you belief that the numbers don’t account for augmented crews I cannot say for sure based on the data in the study however I have a feeling you are right. For sure, Southwest’s numbers are higher than Delta's but then they are better than everyone else’s numbers. Still, Southwest’s numbers are only 64 hours/month for 2007 (and no other airline is near that number) which is lower than you show Delta’s numbers for July 08. Again, if the Form 41 numbers are correct.
Things to take into account when finding where this time goes are MIL pilots flying partial schedules, RES pilots, Sick time, Vacation time, Instructor pilots, Management pilots, ALPA leaves, Initial and Recurrent Training, SILs (at Delta), Trip Credits, etc, etc.
For fun take a look at the % of pilots on RES for May in ATL in these categories 777, 765, 7ER-A, 73N-B, and MD88.
I could be wrong but I believe more pilots than your 6,175 are being paid by Delta and would be counted when doing an average pilot block hour report.
One thing is for sure, numbers can be made to say just about anything. I can agree that my 650 number may be a little low.
You are correct that the study derived it statistics from Form 41. And I understand that the numbers may not be 100% accurate. However looking at multiple years they give a good indication of the numbers.
As for you belief that the numbers don’t account for augmented crews I cannot say for sure based on the data in the study however I have a feeling you are right. For sure, Southwest’s numbers are higher than Delta's but then they are better than everyone else’s numbers. Still, Southwest’s numbers are only 64 hours/month for 2007 (and no other airline is near that number) which is lower than you show Delta’s numbers for July 08. Again, if the Form 41 numbers are correct.
Things to take into account when finding where this time goes are MIL pilots flying partial schedules, RES pilots, Sick time, Vacation time, Instructor pilots, Management pilots, ALPA leaves, Initial and Recurrent Training, SILs (at Delta), Trip Credits, etc, etc.
For fun take a look at the % of pilots on RES for May in ATL in these categories 777, 765, 7ER-A, 73N-B, and MD88.
I could be wrong but I believe more pilots than your 6,175 are being paid by Delta and would be counted when doing an average pilot block hour report.
One thing is for sure, numbers can be made to say just about anything. I can agree that my 650 number may be a little low.
Delta is now close to or equal to Southwest in productivity. I know it is hard to believe but it's true. Due to the higher variation in block hours (more international flying) Delta has some months below Southwest and some months better than Southwest. On average it's pretty close. This ain't your father's Delta.
05-14-2009, 10:36 AM
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The reserves for the 777 are somewhat skewed because boeing has not been able to keep the delivery schedule. DAL had training scheduled and pilots in the pipeline only for the deliverys to be delayed. Those reserve numbers should start to come down in the next month or two.
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05-14-2009, 11:49 AM
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Yes, they are late, and that is causing a lot of head aches.
05-14-2009, 12:49 PM
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My numbers included any pilot that was available for any flying in the month, including partial month leaves, all training, ALPA leaves. It excludes SIL's (which were 0 in both months) and Management which was 17 and instructors which was 63. All the rest are in there.
Delta is now close to or equal to Southwest in productivity. I know it is hard to believe but it's true. Due to the higher variation in block hours (more international flying) Delta has some months below Southwest and some months better than Southwest. On average it's pretty close. This ain't your father's Delta.
Delta is now close to or equal to Southwest in productivity. I know it is hard to believe but it's true. Due to the higher variation in block hours (more international flying) Delta has some months below Southwest and some months better than Southwest. On average it's pretty close. This ain't your father's Delta.
Take out the guaranteed profit and bonuses that the Regional airlines are paid and and let's see what the cost advantage is over Mainline.
05-14-2009, 01:34 PM
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My block hours for the last 12 months. 843.2 I have been over 800 for the last 3 years. Prior to 2001 I only broke 600 hours once in a year and that was 619.00. The changes to the contracts since 96 have had a huge impact on jobs at Delta. I don't care who's numbers you use. The 767 domestic category went from 520 Captains to 410 and still flew the same block hours before they started parking 757's. Thats a massive improvement as far as the company is concerned.
05-15-2009, 05:52 AM
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I want to ask a question, but I don' want it to start a fight between all of the DAL pilots.
Are the former NWA DAL pilots using DAL work rules (2 CA 2 FO for long haul)? And if not, when will they be brought up to our rules?
Thanks ..
Are the former NWA DAL pilots using DAL work rules (2 CA 2 FO for long haul)? And if not, when will they be brought up to our rules?
Thanks ..
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