Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-29-2011, 05:39 AM
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If DPA wins, I plan to launch a union replacement drive to form an ATL union. We compete with SEA, CVG, MEM for the same jobs, and I'm tired of them taking my flying.
Exact same analogy goes for my ATL base. You can't have one union representing pilots from all the different bases -- can't be done. Yet DPA would represent all of them. Not right.
Exact same analogy goes for my ATL base. You can't have one union representing pilots from all the different bases -- can't be done. Yet DPA would represent all of them. Not right.
07-29-2011, 05:44 AM
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07-29-2011, 05:48 AM
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Weak.
And by the premise of your response, I take it you think ALPA National can serve all of those airline pilots even when they compete for the same jobs?
News flash, they currently do
DCI wants as much of those jobs as they can get. Delta pilots want to have all of the jobs associated with that flying.
DCI can "want" all day long. It is Delta flying that DELTA pilots have negotiated away in Section 1 of our PWA
ALPA represents all of them.
There's no conflict of interest when it comes to who gets to do Delta flying, right?
No because it's Delta flying.
Hypothetical to Reroute and Alfa, would you support ending DCI and Alaska flying if Delta wanted to end DCI and Alaska flying? Would ALPA National give it a green light?
News flash number 2, ALPA national already has. Last time I checked CAL pilots were part of ALPA. Their section 6 opener is a continuation of 50 seat scope. News flash number 3. We got rid of Mesa flying. Is there a double secret probation DFR suit that nobody knows about????
...and to elect our own MEC Chairman so that change can be affected with far less roadblocks than today, yes? Would DALPA accept a resolution for direct election of the MEC Chairman by a majority pilot vote say every 2 years? Is there any reason why DALPA would not support such a simple and justifiable change to the current structure?
Sometimes it's hard to admit it, but yes, there are people who are smarter and have more information than the average line pilot. I want a rep who has full disclosure (via non-disclosure agreements) and the info on the table to make the right decision. I don't want 64 year old Joe Smoe who wants his A fund back picking the next MEC chair.
If its the ticket, let me ask something, is our pay as high as SWA's or scope as strong as SWA's today and will it be in 2014?
And by the premise of your response, I take it you think ALPA National can serve all of those airline pilots even when they compete for the same jobs?
News flash, they currently do
DCI wants as much of those jobs as they can get. Delta pilots want to have all of the jobs associated with that flying.
DCI can "want" all day long. It is Delta flying that DELTA pilots have negotiated away in Section 1 of our PWA
ALPA represents all of them.
There's no conflict of interest when it comes to who gets to do Delta flying, right?
No because it's Delta flying.
Hypothetical to Reroute and Alfa, would you support ending DCI and Alaska flying if Delta wanted to end DCI and Alaska flying? Would ALPA National give it a green light?
News flash number 2, ALPA national already has. Last time I checked CAL pilots were part of ALPA. Their section 6 opener is a continuation of 50 seat scope. News flash number 3. We got rid of Mesa flying. Is there a double secret probation DFR suit that nobody knows about????
...and to elect our own MEC Chairman so that change can be affected with far less roadblocks than today, yes? Would DALPA accept a resolution for direct election of the MEC Chairman by a majority pilot vote say every 2 years? Is there any reason why DALPA would not support such a simple and justifiable change to the current structure?
Sometimes it's hard to admit it, but yes, there are people who are smarter and have more information than the average line pilot. I want a rep who has full disclosure (via non-disclosure agreements) and the info on the table to make the right decision. I don't want 64 year old Joe Smoe who wants his A fund back picking the next MEC chair.
If its the ticket, let me ask something, is our pay as high as SWA's or scope as strong as SWA's today and will it be in 2014?
07-29-2011, 05:56 AM
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As a big fan of the L&G crack, even I must admit that we've gotten a little mudslingy in the last week or so. So, since I havent kept my ear to the ground lately, are there any rumors floating around out there that might have legs? ie: 717s, mergers, acquisitions, fleet renewal, 2012 summer flying, alpa opener, etc.
07-29-2011, 06:04 AM
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As a big fan of the L&G crack, even I must admit that we've gotten a little mudslingy in the last week or so. So, since I havent kept my ear to the ground lately, are there any rumors floating around out there that might have legs? ie: 717s, mergers, acquisitions, fleet renewal, 2012 summer flying, alpa opener, etc.
07-29-2011, 06:12 AM
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07-29-2011, 06:28 AM
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The GDP reports today tell the story. Delta's planning for lowered economic estimates, conserving cash and paying down debt. That's good for us, since the $400,000,000.00 that would have gone to debt service is now staying on the bottom line and contributing to profitability.
Delta's only going to buy what it needs and it will not be for growth, not until there is some market to grow into. It looks to me like the RFP will be scaled back and focus more on 757 replacements, because they have to.
The market is pricing our stock based on what they think is going to happen to our customer base.
As far as action on the ALPA front, that we know about, much will hinge on the results of the upcoming pilot survey. Our Chairman seems to want to facilitate the will of the pilots.
IMHO, that means the real action will be here, on this board. It also means we need to strive to be very rational and mature when we participate in the upcoming pilot contract survey. If the consensus view is ridiculous, we could find ourselves in an endless contract struggle (like American).
Right now, we are at the top of the heap for airlines in our position (debt, fleet age, market). Other airlines have used our JPWA to pattern up to near our levels, but no one has passed us allowing us to use them as a justification for higher rates. (getting AirTran up to SWA helps, but SWA is a better financial position than we are and has fewer risks in the domestic market). We need United to do well, we need American to do well and we need US Air to fix their mess (probably hopeless from a labor standpoint).
My crystal ball says anything "exciting" is not going to be good. There are near universal denial from our MEC that 100 seat flying is up for grabs, but they also steadfastly refuse to put that position in writing (particularly prior to the contract survey). If given the choice between stagnation and crisis, I'll take stagnation.
Delta's only going to buy what it needs and it will not be for growth, not until there is some market to grow into. It looks to me like the RFP will be scaled back and focus more on 757 replacements, because they have to.
The market is pricing our stock based on what they think is going to happen to our customer base.
As far as action on the ALPA front, that we know about, much will hinge on the results of the upcoming pilot survey. Our Chairman seems to want to facilitate the will of the pilots.
IMHO, that means the real action will be here, on this board. It also means we need to strive to be very rational and mature when we participate in the upcoming pilot contract survey. If the consensus view is ridiculous, we could find ourselves in an endless contract struggle (like American).
Right now, we are at the top of the heap for airlines in our position (debt, fleet age, market). Other airlines have used our JPWA to pattern up to near our levels, but no one has passed us allowing us to use them as a justification for higher rates. (getting AirTran up to SWA helps, but SWA is a better financial position than we are and has fewer risks in the domestic market). We need United to do well, we need American to do well and we need US Air to fix their mess (probably hopeless from a labor standpoint).
My crystal ball says anything "exciting" is not going to be good. There are near universal denial from our MEC that 100 seat flying is up for grabs, but they also steadfastly refuse to put that position in writing (particularly prior to the contract survey). If given the choice between stagnation and crisis, I'll take stagnation.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 07-29-2011 at 06:38 AM.
07-29-2011, 06:30 AM
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The GDP reports today tell the story. Delta's planning for lowered economic estimates, conserving cash and paying down debt. That's good for us, since the $400,000,000.00 that would have gone to debt service is now staying on the bottom line and contributing to profitability.
Delta's only going to buy what they need and it will not be for growth, not until there is some market to grow into. It looks to me like the RFP will be scaled back and focus more on 757 replacements, because they have to.
The market is pricing our stock based on what they think is going to happen to our customer base.
As far as action on the ALPA front, that we know about, much will hinge on the results of the upcoming pilot survey. Our Chairman seems to want to facilitate the will of the pilots.
IMHO, that means the real action will be here, on this board. It also means we need to strive to be very rational and mature when we participate in the upcoming pilot contract survey. If the consensus view is ridiculous, we could find ourselves in an endless contract struggle (like American).
Delta's only going to buy what they need and it will not be for growth, not until there is some market to grow into. It looks to me like the RFP will be scaled back and focus more on 757 replacements, because they have to.
The market is pricing our stock based on what they think is going to happen to our customer base.
As far as action on the ALPA front, that we know about, much will hinge on the results of the upcoming pilot survey. Our Chairman seems to want to facilitate the will of the pilots.
IMHO, that means the real action will be here, on this board. It also means we need to strive to be very rational and mature when we participate in the upcoming pilot contract survey. If the consensus view is ridiculous, we could find ourselves in an endless contract struggle (like American).
07-29-2011, 06:31 AM
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Sometimes it's hard to admit it, but yes, there are people who are smarter and have more information than the average line pilot. I want a rep who has full disclosure (via non-disclosure agreements) and the info on the table to make the right decision. I don't want 64 year old Joe Smoe who wants his A fund back picking the next MEC chair.
Do you have any idea how scary this kind of statement is? Your credibilikty is now a complete ZERO. Just like the troll....
07-29-2011, 06:32 AM
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