alfaromeo

Whatever, Carl, enjoy Narita.

Carl Spackler

It is not DALPA's war chest. That money belongs to Delta pilots. Any and all monies of that type would have to remain within the control of Delta pilots. Again, it's NOT ALPA's money.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Yes, the dude has been stalking me like some weird chick. It looks like he is one of the DALPA "volunteers" who spent the week in ATL to disrupt the DPA event there a few months back. ALPA at its finest.

Carl

buzzpat

Hey guys,

There's a DALPA survey on rotation construction on DeltaNet. Check it out. I took it. For LAX, they can't get much worse so hopefully it will help.

Cheers!
Buzz (sitting 3rd short call in last 5 days)

PilotFrog

So with the slot swap I saw Delta and USAir were to sell 16 and 8 slots respectively. Who sells them? Does USAir get the money from the slots at LGA or does Delta? If they have to sell them do they go by auction or do the companies get to sell them to whom they want? What is to stop Delta from selling them to USAir and vice-versa?

finis72

My comment was about "hiding money and sham income statements". The pay rate we get will probably be decided by the NMB process and hopefully we will get every cent we can but if you're expecting 50% give a call to the APA and see how far they got with that. LUV routinely gets 3 to 5% a year and look where they are now. I agree we need to catch up but it might take 2 bites. I hope not but again just my opinion.

johnso29

Carl, I'm not sure that money comes with us.

Carl Spackler

It's tough debating someone who doesn't understand legal action. USAPA's counsel (Lee Seham) is claiming this to be true IN THE CASE OF USAPA. He is not saying that it is always negotiable under all circumstances. I know it's what you need to keep claiming, but it's not his claim.

He's got a very tough row to hoe, but he's doing what's been asked of him by his USAPA clients. I don't think he will win, but so far USAPA has succeeded in not implementing that seniority list. I think Lee's grasping at straws using this argument, but I like the idea that he's fighting like hell for his client. That's what I would love to have at ALPA. We do not. Instead we have ALPA lawyers that give the great advice about TWA, and busting their own in-house union. But I digress.

Seham's a great choice IMO for the reasons above. I like a fighter as a lawyer, and I detest a lap dog for one.

None that I know of other than a standard attorney client agreement. Do you know anything?...other than mud slinging?

I think you're lying. I've not seen anything but professional demeanor and understating DPA. All I've seen is guys answering questions and giving literature, then asking guys to make up their own minds.

Now, would you like to discuss how the ALPA "volunteers" acted in ATL...while getting paid flight pay loss with our union dues?

My understanding is that there's a draft. But it would need to be voted on by all the members. Unlike the way ALPA writes and re-writes theirs.

Go to the website and study it. Or would you rather just make baseless accusations and look foolish? Or you could just call TC or any of the other founders. They're really good about returning calls.

Are you hinting that you actually know anything about the relationship between Lee Seham's firm and DPA? Or are you once again just throwing mud in the hopes that any of it will stick?

Carl

Carl Spackler

TenYearsGone's statement was correct. Your response to him that it was the stupidest thing you've seen posted, is just wrong. Sarbanes-Oxley was supposed to stop this stuff, but it didn't. One of Jim Cramer's loudest rants was when he was discussing what happened to an S&P 500 corp...he said: "How can there still be this level of FICTION in a company's financials after Sarbanes-Oxley?"

But you don't need to resort to actual fiction. There are many GAAP techniques available to minimize profit displays. Early debt repayment, good will, etc. This is precisely why our union should not care or even be part of seeing these items from management. They need to sign non-disclosure agreements to even see them, and the financial data they see is totally controlled by a mangement team dedicated to minimizing their costs and maximizing their bonuses.

TYG's point was that this secrecy involved in our union reps being able to see heavily biased data does nothing but drive a wedge between union leaders and their members. Management knows this. I wish more people did.

Carl

acl65pilot

Oh you mean like the JPWA and C2012?