Originally Posted by JABDIP

I am tired of this BS about a fractured pilot group.

Originally Posted by caddis

Not sure which rep he was talking about but the MSP LEC rep has said this publicly multiple times. The latest event was during the week they spent in the MSP check in area. In fact he stated asking for more then 10% initially and 20% over the life of the contract will put the company back in bankruptcy.

PG there is a reason that more pilots are buying donuts these days.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

Mental health break --

Originally Posted by JABDIP

I am tired of this BS about a fractured pilot group. Really, come on guys get a grip. First of all, I have sent in my DPA card and want ALPA off the property as I have been unhappy with ALPA for years way before the merger. However, until it is replaced, I am a unified pilot supporting our pilot group in our efforts to better our contract. What ever group that represents us, I will support as I believe 95% of our pilot group will. I feel that DPA will serve our pilot group much better than ALPA. I feel that our dues money will go for what best serves Delta pilots. Right now I feel that my dues money goes to serve an organization that supports DCI companies that are taking mainline flying. How does ALPA represent us and them at the same time. I have also witness first hand how reps get involved to support their pilots only to become a servant to the all mighty ALPA, sad but true. So, for all those that keep screaming about a split pilot group, I say you are the ones trying to perpetuate that line of thinking. I will not consider myself as a split pilot, I only want what I believe is best for the pilot group as a whole. My last 25 years under ALPA has been very disappointing in many ways. The time has come for a new direction!

Originally Posted by Check Essential

+1

I don't think the "fracture" is nearly as serious as some would portray it. I hope the ALPA guys don't begin to rely on the threat from the DPA as another excuse to manage our expectations downward. It does seem to be a "talking point" lately.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Wrong Carl. A seniority list is always negotiable, but it is difficult to do.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

US Airways management has accepted the Nicolau award and their status is EXACTLY what our status is.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

You state that their seniority list is in some different status because it hasn't been used in combined operations. Wrong. The list is done, it is final, just because it hasn't been used in combined operations is completely immaterial.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

By the way, the courts agree with me.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

If USAPA is free to alter their list because it hasn't been used, then why are they negotiating with management to change the seniority list? Why would management have a say?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

You are wrong, 5 federal judges in 3 different courts say you are wrong. No matter how many times you repeat this foolishness, it doesn't make it right.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Seniority is Section 20 in our contract, it can be renegotiated at any time. Why don't you do some research before you make statements that have no basis in fact?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Go read the Addington transcripts, read the Ninth Circuit appeal filings, and read the filings in the Declaratory Judgement that US Air management filed. You might learn something and be able to speak about this issue with some basis in fact. Now, you just make things up and bluster about trying to hide your ignorance of the facts.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I agree with Check here. Everything always seems to be centered upon managing expectations downward and it'd easily work if it were not for that one testy thing none of us can ignore... to make the pay of the little jet you're going to need to fly overtime in the big jet:



It's nice when the 800 lb gorilla in the room is willing to talk trash to make sure you hear them.

The simple truth is, either our company needs to admit they're not as good as Southwest Airlines, or our union needs to admit their not as good as the Southwest Airlines Pilot Association or we need to just admit we're not as good as Southwest pilots.