Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-21-2011, 08:11 PM
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We may not get to openers if this keeps up. A fractured pilot group, which is exactly what DPA and those who send in cards are creating, may not have the credibility to demand significant contractual gains. Don't fool yourself, management is watching, they've seen it before and know the play book well. We have a once in a decade shot at section 6 with a profitable carrier and the "just send in a card to send a message" crowd may be blowing it for 12,000 pilots and their families.
I ask because if the company was excited about a fractured group shouldn't the DPA be welcomed with open arms and a DPA membership drop box be allowed instead of blocked?
Speaking of that, a Captain I flew with a month or so ago mentioned during the DPA show in ATL he got up to go fill out a card and someone tried to stand in his way, which didn't last long. Did that happen? I wasn't there.
07-21-2011, 08:14 PM
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DPA FAQ's > There is a rumor floating around that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Is*this*true?
Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.
Delta Pilots Association - DPA FAQ's - There is a rumor floating around that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Isthis*true?
Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.
Delta Pilots Association - DPA FAQ's - There is a rumor floating around that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Isthis*true?
The lawyer is saying that in USAPA because that is what he is being paid to say and pursue (sounds like what we might ought to be doing with our lawyers in something else in the forefront of my mind...).
Oh... and about mid contract improvements, USAPA is in the works of a new LOA which will apparently give 30%+ increases to all their payrates.
07-21-2011, 08:15 PM
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DPA FAQ's > There is a rumor floating around that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Is*this*true?
Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.
Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.
Confusing, isn't it!
07-21-2011, 08:15 PM
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Now pay close attention ALPA legal: I know of NO legal precedent to overturn an SLI once the award has been accepted by management, agreed to be implemented by management, and the two airline operations combined. If I'm wrong ALPA legal, you have a great opportunity to prove me wrong. But just to make it a fair fight, go hire a real law firm to research this for you.
Using the example of the United scabs is laughable. That did not involve a merger! There was no SLI to overturn! There was no SLI to renegotiate. Unbelievable. God how I wish we had lawyers that knew the law. Is that too much to ask?
Carl
07-21-2011, 08:18 PM
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07-21-2011, 08:20 PM
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07-21-2011, 08:27 PM
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While I don't think USAPA will ever overturn the list, I would like to see ALPA not listen to their lawyers like they are giving them the biblical word, as law is not that. It is flexible and ever changing. ALPA needs to give them guidance on what to do with the law. Understand?
07-21-2011, 08:27 PM
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I flew with one of the DPA guys recently and he mentioned just getting access to the ATL crewroom was extremely difficult. I don't want to put words in his mouth but did they have to threaten lawyers? Anybody know?
I ask because if the company was excited about a fractured group shouldn't the DPA be welcomed with open arms and a DPA membership drop box be allowed instead of blocked?
Speaking of that, a Captain I flew with a month or so ago mentioned during the DPA show in ATL he got up to go fill out a card and someone tried to stand in his way, which didn't last long. Did that happen? I wasn't there.
I ask because if the company was excited about a fractured group shouldn't the DPA be welcomed with open arms and a DPA membership drop box be allowed instead of blocked?
Speaking of that, a Captain I flew with a month or so ago mentioned during the DPA show in ATL he got up to go fill out a card and someone tried to stand in his way, which didn't last long. Did that happen? I wasn't there.
With regards to the ATL crewroom, Amway's not allowed in either. My understanding is that solicitation isn't allowed in a work area, and the Atlanta crewroom is considered a work area. That DPA was informed of that, but did it regardless. The CPO should have thrown them out immediately, but they let them hang around and solicit.
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07-21-2011, 08:32 PM
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The difference between Seham's comments and DPA's FAQ are not reconcilable. That much I do understand. One of them is lying and they are in an attorney client relationship.
07-21-2011, 08:37 PM
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According to DPA/USAPA lead attorney. He said "seniority is subject to negotiation." "Seniority is always subject to collective bargaining." DPA attorney Seham. Start about 4 minutes in.
‪Can't Take the Heat - USAPA in the Desert Part 5‬‏ - YouTube
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