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07-14-2011, 10:29 AM
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Got a letter for using the commute policy. Word I got was 1st and 2nd offense you get a letter, 3rd you lose the privilege for a year.
Apparently it doesn't matter how many flights you attempted to use before you called in for pos space; you're still going to get a letter telling you in so many words to plan ahead and be responsible. Doesn't matter if a couple of the flights you had planned on using were canceled; you still get a strike for using the policy.
Call me naive, but I thought the policy was to help reduce the stress of commuting. Guess one needs to still plan on coming in 8 hours or so before their day starts.
They put a policy out there and then you get a letter for using it one time. Way to stress a guy for actually using the policy.
Apparently it doesn't matter how many flights you attempted to use before you called in for pos space; you're still going to get a letter telling you in so many words to plan ahead and be responsible. Doesn't matter if a couple of the flights you had planned on using were canceled; you still get a strike for using the policy.
Call me naive, but I thought the policy was to help reduce the stress of commuting. Guess one needs to still plan on coming in 8 hours or so before their day starts.
They put a policy out there and then you get a letter for using it one time. Way to stress a guy for actually using the policy.
Last edited by Jesse; 07-14-2011 at 10:52 AM.
07-14-2011, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
We had a SW 07 hire FO on our jumpseat yesterday. His W2 was 160,000 last yr with 15-16 days off a month. Around 850 hrs of flight time pay. The key is flight time pay. He showed us a 4 day trip that he just finished with 21 hrs of flying but 29 hrs of pay. This is the norm. A min 3 day pay credit is around 20 for 15-16 hrs of flight time. He said he could make more but being a commuter you know how it is
Elvis,
I wouldn't put too much weight to specific W-2 assertions on this thread. A few days back a post mentioned a 5 yr SWA FO who said his W-2 was $145,000. It is very hard to make specific comparisons between DAL and SWA but it should be clear to everyone including DALPA - Our compensation is poor and needs to increase.
Scoop
Originally Posted by Express pilot
We had a SW 07 hire FO on our jumpseat yesterday. His W2 was 160,000 last yr with 15-16 days off a month. Around 850 hrs of flight time pay. The key is flight time pay. He showed us a 4 day trip that he just finished with 21 hrs of flying but 29 hrs of pay. This is the norm. A min 3 day pay credit is around 20 for 15-16 hrs of flight time. He said he could make more but being a commuter you know how it is
Elvis,
I wouldn't put too much weight to specific W-2 assertions on this thread. A few days back a post mentioned a 5 yr SWA FO who said his W-2 was $145,000. It is very hard to make specific comparisons between DAL and SWA but it should be clear to everyone including DALPA - Our compensation is poor and needs to increase.
Scoop
07-14-2011, 10:45 AM
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Got a letter for using the commute policy. Word I got was 1st and 2nd offense you get a letter, 3rd you lose the privilege for a year.
Apparently it doesn't matter how many flights you attempted to use before you called in for pos space; you're still going to get a letter telling you in so many words to plan ahead and be responsible. Doesn't matter if a couple of the flights you had planned on using were canceled; you still get a strike for using the policy.
Call me naive, but I thought the policy was to help reduce the stress of commuting. Guess one needs to still plan on coming in 8 hours or so before their day starts.
Apparently it doesn't matter how many flights you attempted to use before you called in for pos space; you're still going to get a letter telling you in so many words to plan ahead and be responsible. Doesn't matter if a couple of the flights you had planned on using were canceled; you still get a strike for using the policy.
Call me naive, but I thought the policy was to help reduce the stress of commuting. Guess one needs to still plan on coming in 8 hours or so before their day starts.
07-14-2011, 10:51 AM
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Got a letter for using the commute policy. Word I got was 1st and 2nd offense you get a letter, 3rd you lose the privilege for a year.
Apparently it doesn't matter how many flights you attempted to use before you called in for pos space; you're still going to get a letter telling you in so many words to plan ahead and be responsible. Doesn't matter if a couple of the flights you had planned on using were canceled; you still get a strike for using the policy.
Call me naive, but I thought the policy was to help reduce the stress of commuting. Guess one needs to still plan on coming in 8 hours or so before their day starts.
Apparently it doesn't matter how many flights you attempted to use before you called in for pos space; you're still going to get a letter telling you in so many words to plan ahead and be responsible. Doesn't matter if a couple of the flights you had planned on using were canceled; you still get a strike for using the policy.
Call me naive, but I thought the policy was to help reduce the stress of commuting. Guess one needs to still plan on coming in 8 hours or so before their day starts.
07-14-2011, 10:53 AM
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What's hard to compare? You make X amount in your W-2 and work X number of days. An SWA pilot makes X amount in his W-2 and works X number of days. As long as the SWA pilot is not working a significantly higher number of days than you are (which it sounds like they're actually working less), it seems to me that the W-2 is extremely relevant.
My point was that individual Pilots at both companies can be way above and below the norm. What if you take a DAL Pilot who does a few Green-slips a year. He doesn't work a lot of days, and his pay might make it look like we are all well compensated - which I don't believe we are.
I don't care what a SW pilot claims to make while riding the jumpseat. I just want a big pay increase. I do believe that we are currently under compensated.
Scoop
07-14-2011, 11:04 AM
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How in the world does scheduling give out a 3 day greenslip on the NY 7ER when there are 11 people on the availability list that have at least 3 days of availability?!
07-14-2011, 11:06 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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My point was that individual Pilots at both companies can be way above and below the norm. What if you take a DAL Pilot who does a few Green-slips a year. He doesn't work a lot of days, and his pay might make it look like we are all well compensated - which I don't believe we are.
I think people are bringing up these examples because some people on here were saying that the SWAPA brochure was incorrect and the numbers were wrong. These example are just to counteract that.
07-14-2011, 11:18 AM
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07-14-2011, 11:21 AM
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Check out the FO who just got a 3 day out of base GS in SLC. He even has 24+ hours to report. Sounds a little strange to me.
07-14-2011, 11:25 AM
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Elvis,
I wouldn't put too much weight to specific W-2 assertions on this thread. A few days back a post mentioned a 5 yr SWA FO who said his W-2 was $145,000. It is very hard to make specific comparisons between DAL and SWA but it should be clear to everyone including DALPA - Our compensation is poor and needs to increase.
Scoop
I wouldn't put too much weight to specific W-2 assertions on this thread. A few days back a post mentioned a 5 yr SWA FO who said his W-2 was $145,000. It is very hard to make specific comparisons between DAL and SWA but it should be clear to everyone including DALPA - Our compensation is poor and needs to increase.
Scoop
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