Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-13-2011, 02:26 PM
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the truth is, yes. Why, because we do not have more guys who work for dalpa feeling and vocalizing the same sentiment.
Prior to a diplomat taking his/her station posting, one of the sternest and most frequent warnings is: Never go native.
What that really means:
1. You are not personally important, your position is why you are treated like royalty. Not you. (dalpa officers vs mgmt)
2. Never forget who you work for and always report factually and truthfully. It makes the analysts job easier and keeps policy decisions more correct.
Our (dal pilots) goals are aligned with the company's success, but never to the detriment of our (dal pilots) goals.
Prior to a diplomat taking his/her station posting, one of the sternest and most frequent warnings is: Never go native.
What that really means:
1. You are not personally important, your position is why you are treated like royalty. Not you. (dalpa officers vs mgmt)
2. Never forget who you work for and always report factually and truthfully. It makes the analysts job easier and keeps policy decisions more correct.
Our (dal pilots) goals are aligned with the company's success, but never to the detriment of our (dal pilots) goals.
07-13-2011, 02:33 PM
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Understood. I did not say all. I said many of the Delta brotherhood. These are my observations based upon the Delta pilots I have spoke with. I understand your observations may be different from mine.
07-13-2011, 02:50 PM
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07-13-2011, 03:27 PM
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I'm not talking about the RAH pilots filing the suit. I'm talking about American Eagle and all the other ALPA represented RJ pilots who would be affected now or in the future if we start to enforce that section of our contract.
07-13-2011, 03:38 PM
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Ferd, PMFJI, but is there really more work as a negotiator because our pilot group is bigger? The contract still has the same number of sections. The number of pilots working under that contract, IMO, is not relevant to the work load of negotiating it. My understanding is that the cost of full time FPL, benefits, expenses, travel and lodging for the extra negotiator is over $400k/year. If the Negotiating Chairman says he prefers three vs. four, or he can be equally effective with three v. four, should it be a four man committee?
I'll take your word on $400K per member per year but that does seem high to me. Assuming even a $200K FPL replacement, where would the other $200K come from. Not picking a fight, just trying to edUmakate myself.
07-13-2011, 04:09 PM
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07-13-2011, 04:19 PM
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What you ask is way over my head, I was just asking because I don't know. I would think there is enough work during a section 6 for four guys with maybe only 3 needed during between years? Like you said, that should be up to the NC Chairman or at least he should have a major input.
I'll take your word on $400K per member per year but that does seem high to me. Assuming even a $200K FPL replacement, where would the other $200K come from. Not picking a fight, just trying to edUmakate myself.
I'll take your word on $400K per member per year but that does seem high to me. Assuming even a $200K FPL replacement, where would the other $200K come from. Not picking a fight, just trying to edUmakate myself.
Assuming 5 days a week multiplied by 48 weeks is 240 days. $200K / 240 days is $833 a day.
07-13-2011, 04:22 PM
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I would love to see fact based evidence of this, for all pilots to see.
I know that in 2000-01, UALALPA and DALPA produced the richest contracts in us airline history.
I know that SWAPA has NEVER produced contractual gains that propelled them to "lead the industry", and that APA has done pretty well but never really "led" the pack (well except maybe with the B-scale).
I know that NPA (Airtran), and FPA (FedEx) were independent and decided to JOIN ALPA instead of stay independent because it was a better way to make gains in their careers.
I know that USAPA has produced NOTHING tangible for their pilots in more than two years of "independent operation", and they have a multi-million budget deficit that threatens the existence of the organization.
This is what I know. I do not know of any accomplishments of DPA.
I know that in 2000-01, UALALPA and DALPA produced the richest contracts in us airline history.
I know that SWAPA has NEVER produced contractual gains that propelled them to "lead the industry", and that APA has done pretty well but never really "led" the pack (well except maybe with the B-scale).
I know that NPA (Airtran), and FPA (FedEx) were independent and decided to JOIN ALPA instead of stay independent because it was a better way to make gains in their careers.
I know that USAPA has produced NOTHING tangible for their pilots in more than two years of "independent operation", and they have a multi-million budget deficit that threatens the existence of the organization.
This is what I know. I do not know of any accomplishments of DPA.
Shiz;
I for one applaud your fearless defense of what you feel is the truth. You never seem to make it or take it personally. You are honest with no apparent agenda beyond raising the bar.
I sometimes agree with some of your posts and often I do not, but at least you are honest about your perspective.
I am not interested in picking at this post because it would be a he said she said. I agree that DPA - if they mobilized the troops -could or should get some agenda items moving right now. I think they should do this too.
There may be some reason they are not either strategically or legally, I dont know. Sadly, with ALPA, we rank and file types are sidelined and marginalized. I dont need my voice heard on every issue but I do need it heard on scope and it has been heard.
If DALPA doesnt pull a rabbit out of a hat with respect to RAH I am a DPA man - it was the last straw for me, I've seen enough. Its really that simple.
Without scope, every other contract section is meaningless.
07-13-2011, 04:32 PM
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Scambo, You are correct. Scope is Section One for a reason......
07-13-2011, 04:33 PM
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92-100 hours per month at the highest rate their seniority can hold +35% for benefits + per diem + lodging + taxes + expenses it all adds up fast.
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