Bill Lumberg

It seems sometimes the primary goal of an MEC is to stay in their positions, primarily by promising small gains, and then achieving them, instead if working harder to achieve all the goals stated by their constituents. By managing our expectations, they can achieve those smaller goals, and stay in office a little longer. I just don't see any outward promotion, any "rocking the boat.". Slow, thoughts? You know, Bangladesh's economy isn't that great, soooooo we might not want to ask for anything over a 5% raise during the first year of the new contract.... Wouldn't be prudent.....

georgetg

You just cant make this up:

ASA and Expressjet combine to form:

SureJet- Partner. Ally. Friend.



Brand | Atlantic Southeast Airlines

Cheers
George

acl65pilot

Well when you do not have branded ops, who cares about the name

shiznit

Just my opinion, but I would say that they are achieving small gains outside of Section 6, so that we are better able to deliver the larger final goal because "some" of the things have already been taken off the table that were going to be part of the "overwhelming" list of things that an NMB appointed mediator would find to be "overreaching" and end up putting us on ice. Less things that need to be on the table in Section 6 lends to a higher likelihood of us having leverage. The MEC is gaining outside of Section 6.

I applaud the ability of my elected reps to empower the Neg. Comm. to make improvements to our PWA even though we are in a "A contract is a contract" type of time. I think it bodes well for their abilities when the full Section 6 gets underway.

shiznit

Good point....

forgot to bid

Hey, see I was right, when you merge two large equals you should rebrand.

You can argue to the employees that you will take an a le cart approach to the best of both companies instead of making it feel as if someone was bought out and must now acquiesce. Make it a bunch of mumbo jumbo that's hard to decipher but easy to take ownership of.

We needed something that rhymed with Skyteam though.

Jack Bauer

You keep missing the point. Many of the pilot brotherhood have tried what you suggest. The infrastructure we call ALPA has been given opportunities to right the ship many times and yet they continue down a path the top leadership chooses contrary to what Delta Airline pilots are asking for. Truly, that ship has sailed.

Hell, right now ALPA could come out with a mission statement on scope and pay, with the aim of returning them to their proper place. They choose not to. Instead they fill their magazine with shameless self promotion referencing victories of laser light reductions and crew pass year 7 "we are getting closer" announcements. Yes, these are important causes but what is most troubling is that which is not discussed. To those pilots at mainline carriers this should register as a multiple alarm fire.

Jack Bauer

I disagree. DPA, with each incremental increase in resources (cash and people) is putting together a thoughtful and well managed campaign considering the hostilities and gaming received by DALPA and Management (who sometimes seem one and the same). I have written several suggestions to the DPA leadership, received replies within 24 hours (usually more like one or two hours) who are open to what the future constituents of DPA would like in representation. I can tell you the same type of interaction with ALPA/DALPA has never occurred in my experience. If you are lucky enough to get a response about your idea/concern you are subsequently put on the "mushroom list". Urban Dictionary: kept in the dark

DAL 88 Driver

How can they "prove" anything? They are not in a position to prove anything because they are not in a position right now to make any changes that affect us. All any of us can do is assess whether we think ALPA or DPA is best suited to accomplish restoration and put our careers back on track. It's not by any means a perfect science or sure thing either way.

I see big problems with ALPA... notably these:

1) Lack of objective. This MEC (and the one before it) absolutely refuses to state restoration as an objective. Why? And how are they going to achieve restoration if it's not even their objective? This is so out of touch with the vast majority of all the pilots I've ever known, worked with, and run across that it's just amazing. "Bottom up" my @ss! This MEC is about as "top down" as anything I've ever seen.

2) Conflict of interest at National. Yes, our MEC gets to make the final call as to whether or not to put a TA out there for a vote. And we as a pilot group get to vote it up or down. But you know as well as I do that there will be a full court press sales pitch to get us to vote in favor of any TA brought to us. And where do you think our MEC is getting most of its research and advice from? ALPA National. And ALPA National has responsibility to protect the jobs of ALL its members, which includes a whole bunch of regional pilots who are currently doing a whole bunch of flying that was previously done by Delta pilots. This is a no brainer... despite all the rationalization we get on it from DALPA.

So, no, I can't prove to you that DPA can do any better. I don't know for a fact that they will either. I like what I see with their proposed structure and their philosophy. But that's all I have to go on. For me, it really comes down to this: If I'm riding a horse that I know for sure is going to take me off a cliff, and I have an opportunity to change horses (even if I don't really know exactly where the other horse is going), well I'm going to change horses rather than die a certain death. Not a perfect analogy, but that's pretty much the way I see it.

Bucking Bar

http://www.flyasa.com/media/brand/

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Radio Call ... Sewer Jet
Theme song ... YouTube - ‪Sure Deodorant commercial‬‏

That 23 year old Asian chick skipper is HOT!

What do you think of the line "as fuel prices rise, businesses have cut back" as a Delta MD88 glides across the screen