Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-06-2009, 04:35 PM
#7071
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
You have blown our cover. Now I have to wear a helmet at the bar....
<hint: we don't exist.>
05-06-2009, 05:31 PM
#7072
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
What happens if there is nothing labled, designated, or described as a "replacement"? The fdal pilots are entitled exclusively for 5 yrs to the 777 (no mention of any version of 777) aircraft on the property, and when aircraft come on the property, they come from long existing orders when they are "firmed up". We will be taking delivery of several next year, and so far no one from fnwa has made an argument that new 777s should be "replacements" for the (1 or 2?) pax 747-200s being retired....didn't Bloch say "replacements for these aircraft, 747 and 787? No mention of which model 747? There is no replacement for the pax 747-200, it is as simple as that, they are simply getting rid of an uneconomical asset. The same would be true, theoretically of the 747-400...why else would they get rid of them?
Disregard the pronouncements from "on high" of the 3 wise men for a minute and answer a common sense question: With the demise of the 747-200 and rumors of the same for the -400, and the increasing delays/uncertain status of the 787, wouldn't you be willing to lift the fences and call it "even"? Or would you like to gamble that your group will be awarded scores of already fenced 777s as replacements for both 747s and 787s? and that it will be worth the cost of disharmony and contention in the pilot group for the next 5 years?
Once again, if we all decided we wanted to "look" at this again, we would have to legally "look" at the entire Seniority List Integration - not just the fences or the seniority numbers.
Carl
05-06-2009, 06:00 PM
#7073
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
Carl,
Well said, it is a stand alone legal document and you just can't pick and choose. Guess I should have clarified that above too, just trying to point out why I don't think anyone would be interested in opening up this can of worms.
I don't know why we are going back to this discussion. Everyone (well most people) have different problems with the list. I guess that is what makes it a good list.
As much of a crazy ride this thing is on the north side, I have been too busy learning new procedures and organizing manuals. I think if the southies had more to do they wouldn't be dwelling on all this AGAIN.
Ferd
Well said, it is a stand alone legal document and you just can't pick and choose. Guess I should have clarified that above too, just trying to point out why I don't think anyone would be interested in opening up this can of worms.
I don't know why we are going back to this discussion. Everyone (well most people) have different problems with the list. I guess that is what makes it a good list.
As much of a crazy ride this thing is on the north side, I have been too busy learning new procedures and organizing manuals. I think if the southies had more to do they wouldn't be dwelling on all this AGAIN.
Ferd
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05-06-2009, 07:00 PM
#7077
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
s2g
Didn't mean it as a cheep shot. Sorry if it seemed that way.
I have been real impressed with our group, lots of changes and frankly a lot of stress because of that. In general, I think we are dealing with it with a lot of humor and hard work to get things perfectly right. But, that is the kind of guys we are. Like I said, I was really suprised to see this all dragged up again.
Ferd
Didn't mean it as a cheep shot. Sorry if it seemed that way.
I have been real impressed with our group, lots of changes and frankly a lot of stress because of that. In general, I think we are dealing with it with a lot of humor and hard work to get things perfectly right. But, that is the kind of guys we are. Like I said, I was really suprised to see this all dragged up again.
Ferd
05-06-2009, 07:17 PM
#7079
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 189
s2g
Didn't mean it as a cheep shot. Sorry if it seemed that way.
I have been real impressed with our group, lots of changes and frankly a lot of stress because of that. In general, I think we are dealing with it with a lot of humor and hard work to get things perfectly right. But, that is the kind of guys we are. Like I said, I was really suprised to see this all dragged up again.
Ferd
Didn't mean it as a cheep shot. Sorry if it seemed that way.
I have been real impressed with our group, lots of changes and frankly a lot of stress because of that. In general, I think we are dealing with it with a lot of humor and hard work to get things perfectly right. But, that is the kind of guys we are. Like I said, I was really suprised to see this all dragged up again.
Ferd
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