Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-13-2011, 04:06 AM
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Until you get the DOT/DOJ to state that a holding company is an air carrier or can as as an air carrier, the changes need to come in the form of a PWA change.
07-13-2011, 04:07 AM
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You are greatly overestimating the efficacy of your union reps, as well as the communication chain between them, Compass management, and finally down to Cpz line pilots. IF Compass management actually received a complaint about PA's referring to "Delta" not followed by the (willfully deceptive) addendum "Connection", they wouldn't care. And if they cared, they would take so long to communicate (if they remembered at all) a reproach to the offending crews that the force of the point would be lost. The same, I'm afraid to say, would be likely be true if this complaint would be carried through strictly Union channels.
07-13-2011, 04:10 AM
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07-13-2011, 04:12 AM
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Yeah I noticed that along with it disappearing from DeltaNet. Things that make you go hmmm?
On another note, just flew with my first FNWA brother...you guys aren't so bad
He was over 60 with no intention of leaving until 65
We did have two different whale drivers jump seating, one took the early leave. The other mentioned that out if the 190ish early out letters 34 (or did he say 44?) were 744 guys. That will create some movement!
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On another note, just flew with my first FNWA brother...you guys aren't so bad
He was over 60 with no intention of leaving until 65
We did have two different whale drivers jump seating, one took the early leave. The other mentioned that out if the 190ish early out letters 34 (or did he say 44?) were 744 guys. That will create some movement!
Cheers
May of those Whale drivers put in their paperwork but had no intention of making a decision until the deadline in a few days.
07-13-2011, 04:14 AM
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If the same lawyer team that helped craft Section 1 now advises us that the language is weak, something is amiss....
Either:
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George
Either:
- The original lawyers did a poor job
- The current lawyers aren't good enough to get results
- There is a lack of interest in pursuing legal action
Cheers
George
07-13-2011, 04:17 AM
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I'm worried more about our customer service culture than I am about the price of oil. When I see a DCA gate agent use one hand to shoo away a customer with a question, or I see an ATL gate agent tell a Diamond Medallion member that she can't board the airplane with the open gate door without so much as a smile and an apology, I fear for my future.
We fly the airplanes safely and professionally, but the public *expects* that. Outstanding customer service is what attracts and retains customers, and I personally intend to go further out of my way to both set the example and write up those who either excel or fail at making our customers feel like they're the most important people in the world.
We fly the airplanes safely and professionally, but the public *expects* that. Outstanding customer service is what attracts and retains customers, and I personally intend to go further out of my way to both set the example and write up those who either excel or fail at making our customers feel like they're the most important people in the world.
07-13-2011, 04:31 AM
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• A recent National Mediation Board decision classifying Republic Air Holdings as a Single Transportation System, for the purposes of representation, does not in and of itself affect scope compliance;
We need a new question, is RAH a STS? < period. What ALPA said was they were going to look at the issues related to the legal definition of air carrier, as in, we may pursue a tact that will further define air carrier to say all the airlines within a holdings company is STS.
however questions have arisen regarding the meaning of air carrier as it relates to US code and our PWA. At the direction of the MEC, in order to ensure scope compliance, ALPA legal counsel and the MEC will review the various issues involved related to the legal definition of an “air carrier” at the regular scheduled MEC meeting in May. Scope is a fundamental cornerstone of our contract and this issue will be reviewed exhaustively.
Status quo with RAH?
07-13-2011, 04:43 AM
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07-13-2011, 04:47 AM
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That's what I'm wondering about. In the April 22nd C44 Hotline they mentioned:
Completely agree and have always thought so. This is not a violation of our scope because what RAH has done is gamed the system and it's legal. The only way it'd be a violation is if the NMB was asked to rule that RAH is STS. As in period. The question put forth by the RAH pilots union was is there STS for representation issues? The answer from the NMB was the affirmative to the question asked.
We need a new question, is RAH a STS? < period. What ALPA said was they were going to look at the issues related to the legal definition of air carrier, as in, we may pursue a tact that will further define air carrier to say all the airlines within a holdings company is STS.
Completely agree and have always thought so. This is not a violation of our scope because what RAH has done is gamed the system and it's legal. The only way it'd be a violation is if the NMB was asked to rule that RAH is STS. As in period. The question put forth by the RAH pilots union was is there STS for representation issues? The answer from the NMB was the affirmative to the question asked.
We need a new question, is RAH a STS? < period. What ALPA said was they were going to look at the issues related to the legal definition of air carrier, as in, we may pursue a tact that will further define air carrier to say all the airlines within a holdings company is STS.
I am not a rep, and frankly I have not talked at length with my reps as to why, but my deduction is that the contract was written a certain way, and legally speaking they are in compliance. It may have not been the intent, but it is the result. Just because we thought that it would help below 76 seat economics does not mean that an operator like RJET cannot use the wording to their advantage. They can and are.
What is needed to "fix" this is a contractual change. It would not stop RJET as that would be very costly, but it would stop future scenarios of this nature. It also is important to fix because of these metal neutral JV's that are the half step away from a holding company or Transnational that will be across many countries laws and jurisdictions.
In May, did ALPA legal counsel drop this whole matter?
Status quo with RAH?
Status quo with RAH?
My guess is, nothing will change unless we buy the change at the table. It will be a significant cost, because it is important for issues far bigger than F9/RJET.
07-13-2011, 04:47 AM
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Coming in an uncomfortably close second in the ranking, which compiled thousands of separate surveys, is the second-busiest carrier at Port Columbus International Airport: Delta Air Lines Inc.(NYSE-DAL), slammed for its tacked-on fees.
^^^^^^^^
Whew, a utility company edged us out for most hated company in America. I'm sure our size helped us beat the other legacies (who were mostly on the list). But somehow SWA, with their complete lack of outsourcing, didn't even show up. Huh.
^^^^^^^^
Whew, a utility company edged us out for most hated company in America. I'm sure our size helped us beat the other legacies (who were mostly on the list). But somehow SWA, with their complete lack of outsourcing, didn't even show up. Huh.
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